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487:, the only real assertion of notability is that the subject of the article advocates having somebody else on the throne. And as for being the president of an organization, this does not confer notability on the instant subject, even if the organization itself were notable (and in this regard, note that the organization itself survived its recent AfD only because nobody bothered to state an opinion on it). Finally, sockpuppetry is bad and should be eliminated, but that is not a reason to waive the notability requirements for the instant article. 266:
standards were far looser than they are now. While the article has never had any inline sourcing, earlier versions of the article do contain external links which might (or might not) be usable as sources. Also, some earlier versions of the article contain unsourced but potentially credible claims of
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Thank you for the opportunity to clarify my position. My point was that, even if you resolved all of the sourcing issues to everybody's satisfaction, you still would not have resolved the question of notability. If, as is the case here, the subject's main claim to notability is that he advocates
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towards the end of his life, though if so they were either never accepted or interpreted very differently by Bảo Đại's family. Basically, I am seeing enough potential leads from previous versions of the article that one or other of them might just establish notability, but not enough likelihood of
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the ascension of some other person to the throne, then he himself is not a notable person. And this remains true even if you succeed in finding reliable sources for that claim.
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significance which, if verified, might suggest that the subject's claims could have a limited basis in decisions by ex-emperor
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for lack of notability. Sourcing is not the real issue here. Even looking back to the better version proffered by
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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This biography does not assert notability in any way, except as founder of the "
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AfD started by sock of indeffed user Kbabej. Suggest discarding this AfD per
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Delete for or lack of notability. Sourcing is not the real issue here.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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is determined by sources, not assertions of importance or fame.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
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378:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 262:), which was a fairly easy Keep but at a time when 510:Knowledge:Notability#General notability guideline 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 566:). No further edits should be made to this page. 187: 8: 237:Note: This debate has been included in the 219:list of Vietnam-related deletion discussions 217:Note: This debate has been included in the 394:. Per PWilkinson's helpful hint, I went to 239:list of People-related deletion discussions 199:Vietnamese Constitutional Monarchist League 236: 216: 398:. There are at least two good sources: 505: 7: 24: 396:an older version of the article 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 541:04:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 522:03:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 497:01:24, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 476:00:51, 13 September 2015 (UTC) 62:20:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC) 1: 449:11:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC) 428:06:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC) 385:04:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC) 374:04:31, 8 September 2015 (UTC) 348:13:21, 31 August 2015 (UTC) 315:15:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC) 282:11:44, 22 August 2015 (UTC) 248:23:49, 17 August 2015 (UTC) 231:03:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC) 211:03:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC) 583: 555:Please do not modify it. 435:to the version found by 272:this to search further. 32:Please do not modify it. 415:Philadelphia City Paper 508:– but notability per 405:The Cornell Daily Sun 76:Nguyễn Phúc Bửu Chánh 68:Nguyễn Phúc Bửu Chánh 365:Relisting comment: 387: 350: 317: 250: 233: 574: 557: 474: 465: 383: 377: 372: 362: 360: 343: 336: 331: 329: 327: 310: 303: 298: 296: 294: 246: 192: 191: 177: 129: 117: 99: 34: 582: 581: 577: 576: 575: 573: 572: 571: 570: 564:deletion review 553: 467: 461: 388: 379: 368: 355: 353: 351: 339: 334: 322: 320: 318: 306: 301: 289: 287: 242: 134: 125: 90: 74: 71: 48:The result was 41:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 580: 578: 569: 568: 548: 547: 546: 545: 544: 543: 533:NewYorkActuary 525: 524: 500: 499: 489:NewYorkActuary 478: 451: 430: 376: 367:Final relist. 363: 352: 330: 319: 297: 286: 285: 284: 252: 251: 234: 195: 194: 131: 70: 65: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 579: 567: 565: 561: 556: 550: 549: 542: 538: 534: 529: 528: 527: 526: 523: 519: 515: 511: 507: 504: 503: 502: 501: 498: 494: 490: 486: 482: 479: 477: 473: 470: 464: 459: 455: 452: 450: 446: 442: 438: 434: 431: 429: 425: 421: 417: 416: 411: 407: 406: 401: 397: 393: 390: 389: 386: 382: 381:North America 375: 371: 370:North America 366: 361: 358: 349: 346: 344: 342: 337: 328: 325: 316: 313: 311: 309: 304: 295: 292: 283: 279: 275: 270: 265: 261: 257: 254: 253: 249: 245: 244:North America 240: 235: 232: 228: 224: 220: 215: 214: 213: 212: 208: 204: 200: 190: 186: 183: 180: 176: 172: 168: 165: 162: 159: 156: 153: 150: 147: 144: 140: 137: 136:Find sources: 132: 128: 124: 121: 115: 111: 107: 103: 98: 94: 89: 85: 81: 77: 73: 72: 69: 66: 64: 63: 59: 55: 51: 44: 42: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 554: 551: 480: 453: 432: 413: 410:this article 403: 400:this article 391: 364: 354: 340: 321: 307: 288: 255: 196: 184: 178: 170: 163: 157: 151: 145: 135: 122: 50:no consensus 49: 47: 31: 28: 485:User:Cunard 437:User:Cunard 161:free images 274:PWilkinson 54:Courcelles 560:talk page 223:Cagepanes 203:Cagepanes 37:talk page 562:or in a 357:Relisted 341:JAaron95 324:Relisted 308:JAaron95 291:Relisted 120:View log 39:or in a 458:WP:DENY 441:Slashme 412:in the 269:Bảo Đại 256:Comment 167:WP refs 155:scholar 93:protect 88:history 514:Cunard 481:Delete 433:Revert 420:Cunard 264:WP:BLP 139:Google 97:delete 460:. -- 182:JSTOR 143:books 127:Stats 114:views 106:watch 102:links 16:< 537:talk 518:talk 493:talk 454:NOTE 445:talk 439:. -- 424:talk 408:and 392:Keep 278:talk 227:talk 207:talk 175:FENS 149:news 110:logs 84:talk 80:edit 58:talk 402:in 189:TWL 118:– ( 539:) 520:) 495:) 466:● 463:WV 447:) 426:) 280:) 241:. 229:) 221:. 209:) 169:) 112:| 108:| 104:| 100:| 95:| 91:| 86:| 82:| 60:) 535:( 516:( 491:( 472:✓ 469:✉ 443:( 422:( 335:☮ 302:☮ 276:( 225:( 205:( 193:) 185:· 179:· 171:· 164:· 158:· 152:· 146:· 141:( 133:( 130:) 123:· 116:) 78:( 56:(

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