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per nom. Someone who lived to 126 during any era can be expected to have received substantial coverage. That this coverage isn't available indicates that either a) this is a hoax or b) this person isn't notable. The two keep votes do no appear to be based in any policy given the problems with the
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I have searched for more sources, but all I have been able to find is a bunch of stuff about different people named Nicolas Savin, and some passing mentions that all seem to treat the Voyensky account as gospel. I believe these sources, to say nothing of the Voyensky account, fail our reliability
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This article about a man who supposedly lived to 126 is sourceable only to a single unreliable primary source. Of the four references currently in the article, the first does not mention the subject, the second is a link to a bunch of forum posts, and the third and fourth are actually the same: a
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requirements because they all accept the astonishing claim of Savin's extreme old age without question. This very dubious article should be deleted because it is not sufficiently sourceable to reliable, secondary sources.
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I still think that this is a hoax, but this seems to be a hoax from the 1800s and is probably notable. The extraordinary lifespan isn't at all credible for this era.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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translation of an account of a conversation a Russian writer, Voyensky, had with Mr. Savin.
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into a decently sourced and encyclopedic article to serve our readers. Improvements
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Nicolas Savin, dernier vétéran de la grande armée: sa vie -sa mort, 1768-1894
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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for confirmation of what the books is about, see the WorldCat link,
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with appreciation of the improvements since nomination, turning a
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
457:. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources, so also fails 508: 115: 111: 107: 171: 428:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 185: 330:- subject seems to lack "significant coverage" in 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 553:). No further edits should be made to this page. 519:show this topic as being NOT a hoax, and indeed 479:A number of references have since been added. 247:list of Military-related deletion discussions 8: 268:Note: This debate has been included in the 245:Note: This debate has been included in the 222:Note: This debate has been included in the 270:list of People-related deletion discussions 224:list of France-related deletion discussions 267: 244: 221: 521:covered in multiple independent sources 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 334:and is therefore not notable under 24: 481:The current first reference is 1: 536:18:33, 16 August 2011 (UTC) 500:16:42, 16 August 2011 (UTC) 471:20:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC) 438:01:13, 13 August 2011 (UTC) 409:11:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC) 392:10:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC) 370:14:17, 19 August 2011 (UTC) 349:09:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC) 322:15:11, 11 August 2011 (UTC) 68:07:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC) 570: 305:17:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC) 285:01:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC) 262:01:57, 6 August 2011 (UTC) 239:01:56, 6 August 2011 (UTC) 216:07:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC) 546:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 517:delete !vote above 44:The result was 440: 287: 273: 264: 250: 241: 227: 66: 50:non-admin closure 561: 548: 528: 427: 423: 332:reliable sources 274: 251: 228: 206: 190: 189: 175: 123: 105: 60: 34: 569: 568: 564: 563: 562: 560: 559: 558: 557: 551:deletion review 544: 526: 416: 212: 202: 132: 96: 80: 77: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 567: 565: 556: 555: 539: 538: 502: 473: 443: 442: 441: 425: 424: 413: 412: 411: 394: 374: 373: 372: 324: 307: 289: 288: 265: 242: 210: 193: 192: 129: 76: 71: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 566: 554: 552: 547: 541: 540: 537: 534: 533: 530: 529: 522: 518: 514: 510: 506: 503: 501: 497: 493: 492: 487: 484: 480: 477: 474: 472: 468: 464: 460: 456: 452: 451:verifiability 448: 445: 444: 439: 435: 431: 426: 422: 420: 415: 414: 410: 406: 402: 398: 395: 393: 389: 385: 380: 379: 375: 371: 367: 363: 359: 355: 352: 351: 350: 346: 342: 339: 337: 333: 329: 325: 323: 319: 315: 311: 308: 306: 302: 298: 294: 291: 290: 286: 282: 278: 271: 266: 263: 259: 255: 248: 243: 240: 236: 232: 225: 220: 219: 218: 217: 214: 213: 207: 205: 197: 188: 184: 181: 178: 174: 170: 166: 163: 160: 157: 154: 151: 148: 145: 142: 138: 135: 134:Find sources: 130: 127: 121: 117: 113: 109: 104: 100: 95: 91: 87: 83: 82:Nicolas Savin 79: 78: 75: 74:Nicolas Savin 72: 70: 69: 64: 61:(note: not a 59: 57: 56: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 545: 542: 531: 524: 516: 512: 504: 489: 482: 478: 475: 446: 417: 396: 377: 376: 362:Anotherclown 353: 341:Anotherclown 327: 326: 309: 292: 209: 203: 198: 194: 182: 176: 168: 161: 155: 149: 143: 133: 55:I, Jethrobot 54: 45: 43: 31: 28: 505:Strong Keep 430:Ron Ritzman 360:untenable. 159:free images 297:Necrothesp 515:the last 397:Weak keep 382:sources. 354:Weak keep 277:• Gene93k 254:• Gene93k 231:• Gene93k 527:Schmidt, 419:Relisted 314:1779Days 126:View log 165:WP refs 153:scholar 99:protect 94:history 463:Edison 459:WP:BIO 449:Fails 447:Delete 401:Nick-D 384:Nick-D 378:Delete 336:WP:GNG 328:Delete 137:Google 103:delete 513:since 496:talk 358:WP:RS 180:JSTOR 141:books 120:views 112:watch 108:links 16:< 509:stub 476:Keep 467:talk 455:WP:V 434:talk 405:talk 388:talk 366:talk 345:talk 318:talk 310:Keep 301:talk 293:Keep 281:talk 258:talk 235:talk 204:Reyk 173:FENS 147:news 116:logs 90:talk 86:edit 46:keep 491:DGG 211:YO! 187:TWL 124:– ( 63:bot 498:) 469:) 461:. 436:) 407:) 390:) 368:) 347:) 320:) 303:) 283:) 275:— 272:. 260:) 252:— 249:. 237:) 229:— 226:. 167:) 118:| 114:| 110:| 106:| 101:| 97:| 92:| 88:| 65:!) 52:) 494:( 465:( 432:( 403:( 386:( 364:( 343:( 338:. 316:( 299:( 279:( 256:( 233:( 191:) 183:· 177:· 169:· 162:· 156:· 150:· 144:· 139:( 131:( 128:) 122:) 84:(

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