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Done: "All leagues whose members are eligible for national cups are assumed notable. All leagues that are a country's highest level are assumed notable. All other leagues are assumed non-notable unless they can be shown to meet broader". If the guy is realy a roofer instead of a footballer you might
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No, not at all. It is the top flight of the country's league and the guy isn't a roofer. He is a footballer. He is notable. If we focus on improving the article instead of complaining about its inclusion it could go much better. By the way, 8lgm, I love the term "oh dear" as a nonEnglishman. It is
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Good thing this discussion came up then. Per
Umaglesi Liga (the top flight in Georgia): "it has been organized by the Professional Football League of Georgia and Georgian Football Federation". So what is not professional about it? The guys are paid profesionals in the sport and Georgian soccer has
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Spiderone - you're misreading the essay. If footyn had been adopted, all that would have mattered would be that the CLUB would be fully professional (not the league) and as
Tbilisi are the top team in Georgia they easily pass the next bit re playing at the national lavel of the league structure.
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Use more italics if it makes you happy. the subject matter meets inclusion and you are simply unhappy about a poor article. Ask the creator to move it into a subpage for clean up but don't diminish notability that is clearly met through WP:ATHLETE. It is a professional player in a professional
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Oh dear, you've just quoted an essay that, assuming Dinamo Tblisi are a fully professional side, would mean this player passes as he played against
Panathinaikos in the Champions league qualifyers. Re embarrassment - what goes around comes around springs to mind.
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not said that often in the States and when it is you know something has gone terribly wrong. I'll try to find some sources on this guy that the original creator of the article should have found already. Maybe it will be of some use.
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