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wherewithal to search and look at all the hits, I may just look for articles on each of the schools. In this case, having the article serves a purpose. Sure, its not much of a purpose, but in the case of things like schools (who are not here trying to get hits or sales), as far as I'm concerned, any reason is a reason to keep. What's the harm? To trot out the old standby,
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No, I don't see, and I still think you are wrong. Information that a film was made at a location also belongs in the article for that location can make that location notable. The school was in the movie due to having a certain look -- being a quinessential example of such a school-- and being in a
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What is obvious is that 85%-90% of school articles nominated to VfD/AfD this year are not deleted. 85% not deleted over the course of a year sure sounds like a concensus to me. It may not be a concensus to keep or a concensus to delete, but it is a concensus about something. As though the arguments
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events in it's history just goes to demonstrate how pointless it is to argue "notability" with deletionists in the first place. This institution is inherently notable anyway - waiting for deletionists to subjectively call out the particular instances of notable events and then argue about them is
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May I perhaps add my two cents about this matter? Although it is certainly trivial knowledge, adding that information just to the sixteen candles articles is a disservice. Consider the following situation. I'm researching, say, facts about schools in this school system. I may not have the
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This is not consensus - in fact its obvious there is no consensus. Until both sides agree to do something with these terrible "articles" this debate will continue every day here. I already suggested making school district articles and moving it there instead, but the
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The demands for "notablity" of schools (not a valid criteria for deletion of schools in the first place) by deletionists are getting increasingly baffling and incomprehensible. This school was used in a major motion picture, front page of the
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That a student held this school in high enough esteem that s/he was ready to auction it off indicates to me some relative value of this school. Emminently non-notable, even as a pile of bricks and mortar. No more non-notable school articles.
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You see - it was in the movie precisely because it was not notable - because it was just like every other midwestern "upper middle class" school out there. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, of course :).
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