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I was looking up this topic today (did a google search and clicked on the wikipedia link only to find that people are trying to get it deleted so I had to comment because it was clearly of use to me) and this says many of the same things other sites discuss about the topic. It's interesting and can
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Very weak. The article as written is nonsensical and too credulous of the idea. Probably spinning on "Smurf rumors" as its own article would suffice. That said there is some justification to this. Scholarly articles on the theory are lacking, but not nonexistent. I did find one article at scholar
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