63:- It is difficult if not impossible when there is a story of this magnitude to grasp the enormity of it all at once. In any event of this scale, the stories that often hit home the most, and give the best perspective about what the people who lived through it endured are the stories that bring home the individual and personal tragedies and hardships such as this story does. It is unlikely that people will remember exactly how many people lived through the horrors of the Superdome, or the precise number of buildings destroyed, or even the total of how much money was lost. While those kinds of “metrics” might well be important, they don’t tell the story of the people who lived through the disaster. This is one example of a story that does.
436:, This noteable incident reflects the hardships that people suffered as well as animals in a catastrophic event. I would hate to have to compare this to any World War but the human emotion, loss, and surrounding circumstances should reflect in our history. Should we delete the naked Vietamese girl running screaming down the street because no one would remember her name a few years later. Or should we recognise that the true meaning behind our civilization is the fact that we can write read and remember our feelings emotions and history. --
394:, notable enough to have major coverage with multiple segments on CNN, MSNBC and FNC subsequent to the initial AP reporting. Further, this incident was key in evacuation officials re-visiting the "no pets" policy, and has been used by SPCA and the Humane Society to raise funds for pet relief and evacuation which has already topped donations for Tsunami relief raised earlier this year. --
79:- The level of concern and activity it has generated (websites, organized search efforts, $ 13,000 in rewards/family donations) and the fact that it is ongoing, (Snowball has not really been found yet as you will find if you go to KatrinaPetfinders.com), is enough reason. There are many, many people who will not forget this story for a long time, if ever.
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KEEP, and MERGE...Who makes all these rules, and why am I only seeing this artical here? No one has a right to decide what is important for someone else, and it is never right to not be very concerned about a minor childs concerns. This artical should go forward as it is very important to reach the
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But by voting to delete, you are putting yourself in that business. Right? The correct policy to follow if you don't want to be in that business is to let someone make the article if they want, and re-evaluate later. Everyone's notability changes over time. This is a living encyclopedia, and if
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I was surprised and pleased when I put "Snowball" into Yahoo search and found a link to
Knowledge (XXG) plus a nice list of links. Snowball is the 'poster dog' for all the animals separated from their families and left behind to suffer and die. It's wrong, it's inhumane and traumatic. Many people
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for now. Minor media phenomenons are still notable. There may be a possibility of merging similar articles together after the dust has settled on
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The "Crystal ball" was about whether this particular media belch will still be noticed 6 weeks from now or 6 months from now. Let's establish just how widely discussed this dog is, then realize that in-the-news is not part of article space. This is just a soap bubble, at this point -- some red
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then merge at the point when we're sure of his and the boy's wherabouts? Seems to me there's ongoing doubt that
Snowball has been found and growing curiousity and concern for his reunion with that poor boy....Bet the Snowball story ain't over yet. ````curious snowball
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Keep, partly because I'm in an inclusionist mood, partly because Geogre's reasoning annoys me, since the whole notability of the dog is based on what has already happened, i.e. this news report this article cites—nothing to do with a "crystal ball" whatsoever.
71:- Where else can I get all the facts about this? It's of great concern to those who understand what it's like to be closer to your cat or dog than anyone else in the world. It's not just the story of a dog, it's a statement of our society. An important one.
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I should point out that this is not the general understanding of notability. We generally view notability as independent of the passing of time; something can't be notable one day and non-notable the next.
507:, some things are a flash in the pan and deserve to be kept. This was an extremely minor flicker of light in an exceptionally large pan, and will vanish into nothingness in about a week.
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quite extensively, and haven't heard of "Snowball". Apparently he's very popular, but it's not encyclopedic, and doesn't deserve its own article.
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