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393:, though axe the list of releases as completely unencyclopedic and blatant advertising. SonMay is one of the most notorious anime soundtrack bootleggers out there, and they have been written about in many ENglish-language anime and manga magazines since the early 1990s (I would have to hunt through a bunch to find them as it's been a long time since then and I don't remember exactly where they are mentioned). They are a bootlegger in that Taiwan doesn't (though this may have changed recently) recognize the 411:, whack the release list, add a notability tag, and give Nihonjoe (and anyone else who helps him) a month or so to dig out those hard-copy references. If found, remove the notability tag; if not, we can revisit the issue. If references are, indeed, largely pre-web, then five days won't be enough time to dig them up, which means it's time to 309:
I'd argue Sonmay are far more notable then is being assumed here, but certainly the lack of reliable sourcing doesn't warrant saving it (for the record that site was not a seller iirc). I'm in two minds really, the article could probably be saved, but reliable sources are usually wary of discussing
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is sufficient sources for a comprehensive article. Searches based on permutations of its Chinese name "笙美貿易有限公司" also reveal no articles about the company by reliable sources. Nihonjoe, however, claims that he has a bunch of sources (among his vast collection or available to him, I presume) for
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to give Joe time to search for reliable sources. Given the notoriety that SonMay has among anime conventions and Sailor Moon fans, it is more then reasonable to assume that there is coverage by reliable sources within the anime community. If after a month and there are no reliable sources, the
397:, and SonMay doesn't license anything. In fact, their earliest bootlegs looked horrible and were not reliable. You could compare the packaging side by side with the original and easily see the difference. They have improved their skills since then. They are definitely notable. ··· 432:: I'm with Quasi here. Nihonjoe is a well-established member of Knowledge with no personal interest in the article AFAIK and therefore no reason to lie about the sources. I'm not voting because I have no comment to make on the article, just wanted to lend my support to Joe. — 519:
One problem is that the subject seems only notable for being a bootlegger, and an article about it might be lacking in reliable sources to make it comprehensive (set up, history, location, operations, etc). One of the requirements in the
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this company. Userfying would allow him to work on it until a comprehensive article can be written. Otherwise, the company with its singular reliable source would serve as a notable example in bootleg recording.
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pirated media so it's not going to be a 5minute job. If someone can find a reliable source, the article could easily be improved
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Non-notable bootleg CD distributer. Article sourced entirely from a no-longer-there page on an anime-seller's website (not
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a bootleg company, just that their license is good for Taiwan-only sales). In any case, I still don't see notability.—
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Spartaz
17:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Spartaz
21:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
SonMay
SonMay
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
delete
View log
WP:RS
WP:CORP
WP:V
Hello, Control

16:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
WP:CORP
Knowledge:Notability (criminal acts)
Gwen Gale
talk
16:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

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