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is the best thing to avoid the content being completely lost. The character appears to have no outside notability, but he is important within the DB universe and content about him must not be removed for a better comprehension of the topic, so the best thing it to have a good section in the List of
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It is important in these merges that content not be lost, but this was a good merge, done properly. If the content is preserved, and the combination article does not get too long, i don't see that it make much of a difference. I think its time we realised we need a method of determining these
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I suggest more could be found quite easily. But of course, most people here aren't interested in reading the sources, since they've predetermined they want to kill the character.
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merges and redirects beyond the inadequate one of using the talk pages, and the inappropriate one of using AfD. Maybe WP:RM can be turned into a place for discussion.
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