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Peoples Daily Online, the official website of Chinese Communist Party, and in this article a Sorcha Faal report on a 'Star Gate' in the Gulf of Aden was named by them as one of the Top Ten conspiracy stories in 2010. This article also says that Sorcha Faal is a computer programmer
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Peoples Daily Online, the official website of Chinese Communist Party, and in this article a Sorcha Faal report on a 'Star Gate' in the Gulf of Aden was named by them as one of the Top Ten conspiracy stories in 2010. This article also says that Sorcha Faal is a computer programmer
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Homeland Security Janet Napolitano was asked to resign in a
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Australia and in this article says that Sorcha Faal is responsible for a "report" that Australia would have to be evacuated because of global
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Russian GRU, or is working for/with the
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of this entry and am still getting used to references, etc. Please excuse my clusminess and I'll pay better attention to what others of you have done to improve it too. Thanks again
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who were known for their anonymous leaflet and graffiti campaign, lasting from June 1942 until February 1943, that called for active opposition to dictator Adolf Hitler's regime.
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