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enough to make any categorical statements about this or any other similarly credentialed individual. Our purpose here is to get rid of non-notable individuals. He may be low on the totem pole but he's still mentioned for his soccer playing in about a hundred different places that I can find. Its a lousy article written with too little information. It needs help probably from a
Serbian soccer expert. Its not fluff, its not fraud. It doesn't NEED to be removed.
393:. Very likely a player in a foreign language league is not going to have English sources. I trust you took the effort to search for sources in the languages of the player in question? Secondly whether or not another language wiki has an article isn't a metric we use for deletion, there are many very notable subjects that the smaller language wikis don't have articles for, so if we used that metric we would be deleting alot of very notable subjects. -
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658:- Blagojević has played in the fully-pro SuperLiga, and it appears that the article can satisfy the GNG even though Blagojević is a very common name which makes it difficult to sort through the Serbian-language sources to find significant coverage. I've expanded the article slightly, but based on my initial review of the Google results at site:rs, I think it will be easy enough to satisfy the GNG.
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489:-- it is a very patient move to have waited this long in the first place, please do not misconstrue the gesture as something it clearly is not. Fourth, I consider verifying the absence of the subject from its own language Wiki and verifying that there are no non-trivial English language resources about the subject at all to add up to a pretty thorough
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I understand that the absence of the subject from its own language Wiki is not meant to be a metric of the person's significance, but it would have been good evidence for retaining the article if something-- anything-- had existed there (which it did not). Third, a deletion nomination after two years does not strike me as a "rush" to delete,
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