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can't you just accept that my experiences may differ? If you feel the article should be kept, fine. I'm not convinced. If someone can come up with a good argument for keeping then I would be happy for it to be kept, but I don't see it yet - the onus is not on me to prove that coverage doesn't exist - one can never prove that, only that insufficient coverage can be found. I asked which source is independent and provides significant coverage, simply because having looked through the sources I don't see one - maybe someone could answer that question? I'm fine with you having a different opinion to mine. Could you afford me the same courtesy? Thanks. --
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19:48, 10 December 2012 (UTC)) I'm loath to allow this AfD to be derailed into off-topic discussion. How about just accepting that someone else may have a different experience of academia to your own? I'm happy to accept that your experiences may be of rigorous peer review for conference papers, why
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Re-reading the Inquirer article, in-depth was an exaggeration--there is a paragraph on the SableVM project and it's proposed collaboration with Apache Harmony--but as one of two open source JVMs mentioned in the article, it's enough in my opinion. Regarding computing conference proceedings, I only
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I was unable to find any significant independent coverage of this. An article on the research group that created the software was deleted at AfD. There seems to be a bunch of unsourced articles relating to this research group.
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conference, which has a lower acceptance rate than some journals in the same field. In general, I imagine that different conferences have different levels of rigor. Variation in levels of rigor is also seen across journals.
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All of the ones written or co-written by Sable's staff (E Gagnon for example) are not independent. If you want this to be kept I would suggest that you come up with some evidence that an article is justified.
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has shown about 200 hits in Google scholar, not all of which are from the SableVM research group. The topic seems to be notable and verifiable with some independent sources.
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Which one is the in-depth secondary source? It should be noted that papers in conference proceedings are often not peer reviewed to the same extent as journal papers. --
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I feel assured that anyone else reading this discussion will no longer be misled by the statement made above, so I no longer have a reason to continue this diatribe. —
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So, if someone claims that 1 + 1 = 3, I should not be able to say that he or she is making a false claim? What would you propose I do instead in such a situation? —
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See above: "It is in my experience". Clear enough, I think. In the interests of trying to keep this discussion on topic, let's leave it that shall we? --
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That would have been a more convincing argument if you phrased the statement as an opinion instead of asserting it as an unqualified fact. —
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This was important and much talked about at the time. I've added some refs. The other two articles up for AfD should be merged into this.
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And how many of those (a) provide significant coverage and (b) are not written by people associated with the research group? --
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Topic is notable, but article desperately needs a rewrite so that non-geeks can understand it and to wind back the
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No, if you make false claims concerning the quality of these sources I should be able to rebut those claims. —
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Which are only a fraction of the 206 article listed. If you want this article to be deleted... —
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Which of the 206 articles don't you believe to be independent or provide non-trivial coverage? —
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Thanks for the clarification. Yes, standards for both conferences and journals will vary.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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is an interesting perspective on the variability of conference standards. --
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You're out of line accusing me of making 'false claims'. Have a read of
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The article now shows a couple of peer-reviewed publications, and with
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additions, a couple of secondary sources, one of which is in-depth.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —
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Would you care to elaborate on those experiences? —
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