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that existence of references is the only requirement. They do not have to be on the article. As several other editors have stated, once something is notable, it stays that way. It is never not notable again. Even if it ceases to exist, its existence is still notable. This is a no brainer keep. Lincoln's dead, and all the first person accounts of his life are almost 150 years old. Does that make him any less notable? Nope, and it doesn't this house either. To the nominator: Please, when the government opens for business again, go look at
732:, so we don't have to depend on the federal budget for this house. You can see that you'll get relevant information from the nomination form, which was produced by locally reputable authors, and the fact that it gained national recognition means that historic preservation officials in Harrisburg and DC approved the work that the locals did. Meanwhile, note the top of the fourth page: there's additional relevant information in a book put out by MIT Press in 1969. 706:
In order to even get a structure nominated for the NRHP, you must produce documentation quite like our reliably sourced reference requirements, and in enormous amounts. By definition, in order to be on the NRHP, sufficient referencing exists to show notability. Possibly the nominator is not aware
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Most of the references do not exist, or are to wikipedia articles. The ones that are real are not notable - one is a memo saying the house was removed from the National Registry, another is a list that simply has "Sackville House" with no explanation or context, and the last is a single newspaper
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insistence that this doesn't pass WP:GNG, I'm beginning to think this is a troll. Also given that the nom is an SPA familiar with WP terminology and procedures, I think it's also an established user doing the trolling.
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article from more than 30 years ago which is about how the house is not notable enough to save from demolition. There does not seem to be any notable references at all in Google. This is simply local trivia.
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While notability itself is not temporary, from time to time, a reassessment of the evidence of notability or suitability of existing articles may be requested by any user via a deletion discussion...
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this meets is Independent resource - there's one that's referenced. It is supposed to meet all of the guidelines, and it's not even close. Please do the work to meet the definition of
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per above. All NRHP properties (de-listed or not) are presumed notable due to the associated documentation, which combined with the local newspaper coverage is more than sufficient.
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Page 17 of the newspaper, on the same page as a grilling recipe, is trivial, especially considering this edition of the paper is 33 years old. If the only source is this, it fails
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This is a well-referenced article about a property designated as a historic place by the federal government, a designation which requires a higher standard of notability than
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has extensive coverage too. That some of the coverage is "page 17 of the newspaper, on the same page as a grilling recipe" is totally irrelevant to
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The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest...
396:- The NRHP (part of the National Park Service) has paper documentation on this site (they're slow to digitize removed properties), and the 112: 107: 116: 499: 315:. The former NRHP listing indicates that documentation establishing notability exists, even if it is offline. As for demolition, 244: 99: 17: 201: 601: 438: 240: 168: 760: 162: 40: 659: 75: 494:], only a subset of which are on Knowledge. The only way the Sackville House is related to it is that it was 741: 720: 698: 672: 629: 605: 568: 533: 515: 481: 458: 454: 442: 409: 382: 328: 304: 284: 263: 227: 158: 81: 254:
As this well-executed AfD is your first edit to WP, can you please tell us who this account is a sock of?--
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Now's that time. Please provide verifiable references and sources to support notability as defined by
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It was de-listed because it was demolished. That doesn't make it any less notable; notability is
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It has very significant coverage from "Independent" reliable sources including the NRHP and the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Thankfully, Pennsylvania's put most of its National Register nominations online, including
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33 years old? Notability is not temporary. If it was notable then, that's enough.
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It's not a badge of notability on its own in any way. There are no references in
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NRHP nomination document and then tell me sufficient sourcing does not exist.
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This was of short-term interest decades ago according to secondary sources.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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place. "Historic" is the antithesis of "short term interest."--
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Short-term interest? The Federal government designated this a
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several times over), this must be a !joke nomination.--
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No further edits should be made to this page. 342:requires "Significant Coverage," there is none. 690:, where the article's creator and the IP who 207: 8: 291:Note: This debate has been included in the 271:Note: This debate has been included in the 643:- So far beyond reasonableness (it passes 290: 270: 60:a bad-faith tit-for-tat nomination, and a 7: 24: 492:over 88,000 listings in the NRHP 730:the one for the Sackville House 70:for the nominator accordingly. 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 1: 694:had a difference of opinion. 742:01:38, 18 October 2013 (UTC) 721:00:38, 18 October 2013 (UTC) 699:00:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC) 673:00:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC) 630:01:43, 18 October 2013 (UTC) 606:23:37, 17 October 2013 (UTC) 585:. 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