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432:"Sandor Fekete (1879-1970) was the last bridge tender. He was born in Hungary, emigrating via Antwerp, Belgium to New York City, and joining the Hungarian community in New Brunswick, New Jersey. His son Sandor Fekete II (1906-1983) lived in Princeton and worked as a bridge tender also. Fekete's first job was laying brick and breaking up rocks along the Delaware and Raritan Canal. Later he was promoted to a supervisor for a work boats that made repairs along the canal. He was promoted to foreman of a twenty-eight-man work crew, living in an apartment on Conduct Street in New Brunswick, New Jersey. In 1916 he was promoted to locktender in Griggstown, New Jersey." 285: 321:
That's not really how it works. You don't even have "ten facts from seven sources", you have one or two facts from six sources (name, year of death, occupation at time of death), all in passing, and a biography from one single source, the Meadows Foundation one. Considering that all sources but that
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I am not confusing anything, thank you. The 2 page biography is the one I gave as "the only indepth source", and it clearly isn't independent of the subject (or really a very reliable source), a local historian interviewing the family of the owner of a building his local historical society has
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states "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." It doesn't say unless that source is the Meadows Foundation.
476:. That seems to say that merge proposals should be kept apart from deletion proposals, not that deletion proposals should avoid discussing mergers until later in the process. I agree, though, that the edit was jumping the gun. -- 239:. mmm, I don't like to have to undo careful and enthusiastic work, but the subject of this article is not notable: the citations (per nom) are minor mentions that fail to establish . A redirect would be a sensible way out here. 306:
is independent of him as are the other sources. If I gather 10 facts from 7 sources they have the same depth as 10 facts from a single source and that depth would be 10 facts. Mathematically they have the same depth.
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during this AfD. This creates a rather strange article there, with more info on the last inhabitant than on the actual house, and also goes against
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restored. The "Brahms encyclopedia" is the book "Franklin Township", published by the Franklin Township Public Library... and the entry is
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one are really only interested in the house, not in the last occupant, a redirect to the house is the logical and normal solution.
408:, "While mergers are generally not proposed (as well as discouraged) from the onset of Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussions". 202:, a barely notable society that has restored the house. The other sources, mainly local ones, only contain passing mentions like 195:(where he worked) rejected by article creator. The article lacks reliable, independent indepth sources. The only indepth source, 94: 469: 17: 77: 171: 138: 401: 346: 232: 192: 49: 264:. I think you are confusing the snippets used to verify a fact quoted in the citations with the entire reference. 506: 40: 132: 481: 439: 362: 244: 485: 459: 443: 417: 389: 366: 331: 316: 297: 278: 248: 215: 128: 59: 502: 36: 426:
Yes, it looks a bit strange, and it was jumping the gun. I suggest we edit the merged section down to:
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The subject is Sandor Fekete, so a self-published autobiography would not be independent of him. The
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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about other past occupants is found, that could be also be added to the house article. --
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7 references including an entry in Brahms encyclopedia and a two page biography
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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in sections that are about the home, not about this person.
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