1078:. Subject clearly fails the relevant SNGs. The article includes no significant, reliably sourced biographical content. Three of the six refs used in the article show no more than that the subject cowrote a comic book about herself (or, more precisely, her porn industry persona). The "Skinflicks" book was self-published. Of the remaining pair, one mentions the subject only once in its 1000 or so pages, referring to "a demand for females who can ejaculate, a talent that has boosted the careers of 'rainwomen' like Nikki Charm, Fallon, and Sarah Jane Hamilton (aka Victoria Secret), all of whom can spurt liquids for Olympian distances"; the "X Factory" book is simply a compilation of interviews with porn performers whose only significant content regarding the subject that doesn't come from the subject herself seems to be "It's a undisputed turn-on seeing British bunnies like Sarah Jane Hamilton, Roxanne Hall, and Mrs. Sterling get stuffed far more literally than figuratively." Previous AFD was marred by participation by editors later banned for disruption (including the closer!) none of whom supported deletion.
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