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889:, read the comments, did a bit of checking and found a more recent book source which discussed her, I was swayed toward keep. I may not be interested in this person, but clearly a lot of people are. We personally, either as individuals or as small cliques of Knowledge (XXG) editors, do not determine notability - we have agreed to let reliable sources do that, and the sources indicate some notability for this person under our guidelines. However, the delete !votes significantly outweighed the keeps, and while some were not on-policy ("per nom" or variations of 295:, but most ironically, sixof the nine editors who've chimed in to date on that talk page have argued for deleting the argument. Those who argue for keeping it do not reference any Knowledge (XXG) guideline or criterion for notability; they simply argue that tabloid argument of not "disadvantaging" the readers who want to read this (even if there's little substance on Sarah Larson for an article), and another argues, "It's freaking wikipedia. It's not Britannica. It's ok. I enjoy reading stupid, senseless articles on here". How exactly were 897:
or making good points. While the keep comments were also making good points and citing GNG, I wasn't sure there was enough consensus for a keep. I didn't want to close this as a delete, as I feel that would be inappropriate. Nor did I want to close either as no consensus or keep, as I felt I might be
314:. If her modeling makes her notable, then why has she not been covered in stories in the modeling industry press? Has anyone heard of her since those two seconds in 2008 when she was merely in tabloids for dating George Clooney? Another editor remarked, "once notable, always notable". In fact, she's 309:
are particularly threadbare. One editor said that she received plenty of significant coverage establishing notability. If this is true, where are they? That editor also said "This coverage is still continuing now", and points to a source reporting her being signed up by a modeling agency. But merely
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A subsequent editor comments to agree, and then another one, JesseRafe, comments to say that an newbie Wikipedian argued to keep the article on the basis of giving readers who want they want to read, but that's a tabloid's argument, and not an encyclopedia's. Moreover, JesseRafe references
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the arguments on which consensus was assessed??? As for the last two editors in the March 2008 AfD, one was for keeping it, saying, as the entirety of this argument, "I came here from the article, I don't check AfDs.", whereas the the editor who voted to delete gave a way more reasoned
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by the modeling agency in question, with a citation. In other words, the one thing independent of Clooney or that one reality TV episode that her apologists argue as the basis for keeping her article lasted about as long as her relationship to Clooney. Again, not notable.
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situation to me. The list of people who don't get Knowledge (XXG) articles includes most game show contestants, most girlfriends of celebrities, most Vegas cocktail waitresses, and most failed models. Being the combination of all four doesn't add up to anything more.
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Fortensky was just one off the top of my head to illustrate that the coverage of such things goes back to pre-internet days. Many many celebrity spouses are not notable at all (say Kevin Grandalski, you'd have to google of course) because they don't get any
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Sources may have been added, but they're rehashing the same thing; this woman just drew really good luck in winning a network game show (a category where only reality show winners, millionaire Jeopardy, WWTBAM winners and the rare board runners like
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seem well-reasoned, but then the third editor says "It's not our job to make value judgements. Since she has been noticed in several ways by reliable sources, she is notable." This is a ridiculous comment. It is
677:: She's notable enough to meet WP:GNG. I am not aware of the rule that says someone who got significant news coverage over an extended period of time primarily because of who they dated is excluded from GNG. 195: 241:
This person is a former cocktail waitress who appeared on one episode of a reality TV show and dated George Clooney for a year. None of these things, nor all three of them, merit a Knowledge (XXG) article.
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This person is a former cocktail waitress who appeared on one episode of a reality TV show and dated George Clooney for a year. None of these things, nor all three of them, merit a Knowledge (XXG) article.
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our job to make judgements of notability, and she has none. Dating George Clooney, being on one episode of a reality TV show and a brief mention of being signed by a modeling agency is not "several ways".
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Not only does Larson not bear notability, but the consensus of editors at the two AfDs and the article's talk page clearly reflects this. This article should've been deleted four years ago.
634:, not articles about Clooney that mention her in passing. Some of it is a little tabloidy, sure, but not completely or irredeemably so. I also re-added the part about her being named to 427:
The subject seems notable by virtue of the numerous independent sources which comment upon her. The previous discussion was a clear keep and this nomination just seems to be a blatant
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mag's "100 Most Beautiful" list, which had been removed just prior to the start of this AfD, and from what I can tell from the sources, represents some of her notability.
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per nom and Nightscream's comments above. While we can't be judgmental about what a famous person does, since 2009 (or so) we have been more discriminating about having
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Liz Taylor at the very least, while Larson never got near an engagement with Clooney. Using sources (and low-quality ones at that; when you're dragged down to the
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notable. Another editor said, "Still getting considerable press for events after her breakup from Clooney. Looks like she'll be around for a while." This a joke.
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being signed up by a modeling agency doesn't make you Cheryl Tiegs or Cindy Crawford or Kate Upton. Many people are signed with agencies; that doesn't make them
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Most, but not all. I wonder why people hate Sarah Larson so much. Maybe its because she inexplicably meets GNG when so few worthy people do!--
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Numerous sources often comment on the people whom celebrities' date; that doesn't mean that they merit articles. That's goes directly to
835:- Vast majority of sources (including the added ones) are either unreliable/tabloid, or mainly about George Clooney. This looks like a 780:
there's no further you can do down under our sourcing suggestions) rehashed several times gives me little confidence in this article.
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ever get an article here) and getting a Hollywood bachelor for awhile. There's also a huge difference as Fortensky actually
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Whether people like Sarah Larson should be notable in the history of civilization is also not what we are here to judge.
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are non-notable unless they established notability for themselves, which Larson clearly hasn't. Not notable per
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She just seems like someone who dated someone notable, which doesn't make her notable herself. She was on
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are not notable, but that is not what we are talking about here. Whether people like Sarah Larson
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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is irredemably skewed towards accepting notability based on tabloid trivia, here we are.
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through significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, including such media as
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be notable in the history of civilization is also not what we are here to judge.--
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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she's notable enough to get hundreds of clicks a day (
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387:She wouldn't be here if she hadn't dated Clooney. 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 936:). No further edits should be made to this page. 454:list of Television-related deletion discussions 681:, anyone? Of course, one night stands like 587:http://stats.grok.se/en/201203/Sarah%20Larson 305:The arguments for keeping the article in the 8: 474:Note: This debate has been included in the 452:Note: This debate has been included in the 476:list of People-related deletion discussions 504:, and has nothing to do with IDONTLIKEIT. 473: 451: 564:. The sources cited in the past AfDs are 84: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 52:. Ugh. 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