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magazine is entirely unknown outside of the USA & Canada, and so likewise People's "SMA" list. Without the explicit context of it being a magazine feature, the list makes no sense whatsoever to anyone who's never been to the US - that is to say, most people on the planet. That could be seen as a
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is a cultural phenomenon. Each year, the winner is discussed in many other magazines and television shows unrelated to People, both in the celebrity pop culture genre (Entertainment
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Magazine article. Preferably just redirect until we can be sure the coverage there is accurate. But this is a quasi-notable feature they run (for whatever reason) so it is a term people will be searching for and wanting info on, and it could be sourced.
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after nomination, though looking at the edit history that's highly likely to be deleted again. That problem could be fixed by merging, rather than deleting, as I've noted above. The other two remain grounds for a complete re-write or deletion.
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Please see my comment above: it gets national mainstream coverage in one country only, and lacks context, coverage or notability for anyone from the rest of the planet.
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ever nominated any of them for SMA, or that Mel Gibson was the first winner, Clooney twice, etc. Nor can I find sources in any of the articles linked.
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