658:. Struway2 summed it up pretty well. Not yet made the grade notability wise only standard web coverage for any typical fairly non-notable person. Pretty poor if a few google hits make someone notable. I typed in a couple of random made-up-on-the-spot names and got over 1200 hits on each, including so-called non-trivial coverage articles - and they are just ordinary people. The sooner people realise that the internet has bucketloads about everyone on the planet and a ghit or twelve doesn't make one notable, the better WP will be as an encyclopedia. Recreate if and when. --
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was wrong: the article contains no sources at all and the player had never participated at the highest level, thus IMO failing WP:ATHLETE. That's by the by. As long as WP:ATHLETE specifies playing in a fully-pro league, that's what we have to go by for players of professional team sports. The cut-off
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I'm not by nature a deleter, but I'm keen on AfDs being decided on the basis of current policy. This particular article is better than most articles on LOI players in that it does contain sources (I added one myself): mostly they run along the lines of XXX is a footballer who plays for YYY F.C. with
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Jimbo Wales. There's enough content out there in quite reliable sources, Irish Times, Irish
Independent, etc. to write a "good neutral biography", and some of the cites do discuss Coleman in reasonable detail. It's one thing to oppose a non-notable topic because the non-notability results in a
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Here are a few of the more reliable sources, including some mentions that are certainly more than trivial. As the discussion is indicating, this is certainly a borderline case, but there's enough coverage out there in reliable sources to write a workable article, and I think he passes WP:BIO.
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does clearly state that a subject must play at the highest professional level of a sport to be considered notable. Following the transfer to
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mentions are just that – mentions of his name in team sheets and match reports. His transfer is covered, but only to the extent of reporting it happened; the BBC covers transfers in similar detail at much lower levels of
English football, e.g.
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due to him not playing at a fully professional level or in a competitive full international. The coverage is about the transfer, not the subject as a player and is not 'substantial coverage'.
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dearth of usable sources. When, however, there are enough reliable sources to write the article, what's the harm?
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