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features significant involvement (ie. one of the most important roles in the making of the film) by a notable person and is a major part of his/her career," which is a consideration when giving thought to the involvement of the many Indian notables. I find it hard to believe that such films "never" received attention in the Kannada language. So since it had not yet been done, I've asked for assistance in sourcing from
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As for national archives and awards, the jury is still out. I am still looking to verify if "the film was selected for preservation in a national archive" or received "a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking"... but that OEN list contains more considerations. There is also "The film
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before nominating this article for deletion, I was not able to find any, the AfD process gives extra time to find valid sources, unfortunatelly, the citations added are just a one and a half line review and an article about the death of comedian Vadiraj (claimed in the article to be director of the
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is no reason to toss away possibly improvable stubs over difficulties in finding non-English sources for non-English pre-internet films. I loked at the author's talk page, and wonder if he has been chased away yet, or not. I hope he remains and adds the required souring.
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shows ways that notability can be established for older films, but in my opinion, it is clear that this film does not meet those guidelines. If reliable sources in any language are found to meet the guidelines for inclusion I will be very happy to change my
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I have much less experience than you and I am learning every day, so I sincerely thank you for the information you sent me. Let me try to explain to you in more detail why I nominated the films and try to show you that it was not just a frivolous
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If I made a mistake in the interpretation of this policies I do apologize, my intention is to help, not hinder the project, so I will thankfully accept any guidance you can give me.--
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Good idea, if it is notable they should be able to show it, and if it so happens that any of those criteria you mention are met then I fully agree with you that it should be kept.--
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The film was deemed notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals, when such a poll was conducted at least five years after the film's release.
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and I do hope that if the films are indeed notable they remain and get improved. I will copy below my answer to the other AfD to satisfy
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tells us that pre-1990s Indian films are difficult to source online. Not being sourcable online is not automatically non-notable.
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The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release.
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film) the article makes no mention of the film. Neither one establish the needed notability for inclusion.
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should be able to provide non-english sources, even if only scans of hardcopy sources unavailable online.
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Publication of at least two non-trivial articles, at least five years after the film's initial release.
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it is widely distributed and has received full-length reviews by two or more nationally known critics.
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The film is "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program.
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The film was featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema.
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stresses in point 4 that the subject must be notable, and that it should be sourced, after reading
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The articles do not make any of the included notability claims, I could see no indication that:
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is not an issue here, especially after the new sources you found which clearly establish it. My
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My assumption here is that a film is not automatically notable for having a notable actor like
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The involvement of major Kannada film notables allows a consideration of notability under
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for assistance might have been reasonable. Not saying you did anything wrong, but
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The film has received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking.
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The film is historically notable, as evidenced by one or more of the following:
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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and use a little restraint before nominating more new stubs about
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The film was selected for preservation in a national archive.
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for other editors as the reasons apply for the 3 articles:
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Since I could not find substantial coverage to meet
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