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490:- whether this is to be kept or not, I am not sure. However, we need to clarify that this a primarily a cultural center, not a museum, in the sense I think most of our readers would think. It could be notable - the Chicago area has a large Southern Slav population, as well as many fine museums and cultural centers of international repute. But so far, I have not read much to convince me either way. A reference to a local consortium of cultural centers does not give me a lot of respect for this institution. An organization needs to show that it has been covered by multiple sources of independent media, or have won recognition from national or state agencies, such as landmark status, to be notable. Userfication would be appropriate here. 198:. The only source given in the article is a self-published (by the writer, not by the museum) book from 1984. Looking for other sources, I can't find any reliable sources giving any significant attention to this museum, only some routine listings of events at the museum, and mentions from less reliable sources (fora, blogs, personal websites, ...) 371:
Yes, because I researched it a bit more, we now know that they changed the name to "museum" fairly recently (though it's unclear if this means they started exhibitions at that time or earlier). However, even without the museum aspect, it still appears that they have been a major cultural force in
596:- The organization has simply not been discussed in depth by a sufficient number of independent sources. Age does not confer notability, otherwise I would write articles about some of the rocks in my back yard. I also agree with WsIhaUN? Renaming it will not make it notable. - 512:, as this was apparently for many years a worldwide diaspora movement based in Chicago, and would be the primary source of notability. And then perhaps have the actual "museum" part as a subsection of this, as the latest evolution of what was once a more major organization.-- 394:, which seems to have been founded in Serbia just before WWII, had a major political role there, relocated to Chicago as a diaspora base after the war (with branches worldwide), and whose Chicago mother chapter has now evolved more or less into a nonpolitical museum.-- 372:
the international Serbian diaspora for 60 years - their newspaper is widely cited, and clearly more research is needed. Apparently they have/had chapters of the organization as far away as Australia, and this international political aspect is somewhat parallel to the
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KEEP - The Serbian American Museum St. Sava is a notable organization. The Serbian American Museum St. Sava is recognized as an ethnic community organization by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs ,
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http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/files/Global_Chicago/Ethnic_Community_Organizations/files/Global_Chicago/Ethnic_Community_Organizations.aspx?hkey=050c9204-e774-4be0-a0a4-f7f1ea542028
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http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/files/Global_Chicago/Ethnic_Community_Organizations/files/Global_Chicago/Ethnic_Community_Organizations.aspx?hkey=050c9204-e774-4be0-a0a4-f7f1ea542028
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http://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/november-2011/community-cultural-organizations-collaborate-through-the-chicago-cultural-alliance
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http://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-history/november-2011/community-cultural-organizations-collaborate-through-the-chicago-cultural-alliance
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As far as I can tell, it has only become a museum a few years ago, before that it was a club / meeting place / cultural centrum. So it is
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That the city council has added an organisation in the city to a list of some 100 other organisations
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Looking into this even more, it appears we should probably have a separate article on the
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until this is a notable enough museum to get mentioned in respectable travel guides.--
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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a 60+ year old museum (which in itself is not a claim to notability either).
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and as a community cultural organization by the Chicago Cultural Alliance.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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list of Museums and libraries-related deletion discussions
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
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