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based on other published information: they aren't written by the families. Not to mention the extreme systemic bias that would exist for us to treat a North American paper of record as establishing notability but to say it is not the case for a paper of record in one of the largest English-speaking countries in the world that simply happens to be in Asia?
535:#2. It also is highly indicative that they are extremely likely to pass the GNG if one had access to the sourcing the authors had when they wrote the summary of the individual's life. The notability guideline makes it clear that when evidence is presented that sourcing likely exists, this is enough. See 639:
I was wrong to use the confrontational word "wrong" and withdraw it. But there is no time limit for developing an article, and when as here the likely sources are undigitised newspapers existing only in India it will probably stay a one-liner - with a substantial filmography - for a very long time. I
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proof of notability on the English Knowledge (XXG). I think there are obvious reasons why this should also apply to other papers of record in major countries: they have similar vetting, prestige, and editorial integrity of the times, and its also clear that they would only be able to compile the obit
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I couldn’t disagree more. Sites like New York Times, The Guardian, in this case The Hindu, can publish obituaries for individuals who never obtain Knowledge (XXG) articles. Sure can be because no one got around to writing one up, but most of the time it’s because there’s not much of worth to include.
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feature length obituaries in papers of record are enough to make an individual notable and proof of passing the GNG. The only way the Hindu could have compiled that obit was is there was significant coverage in other reliable sourcing, making it proof of meeting our notability standards.
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that were redlink a We’re oosted with a NYT source and by months end never gained an article on Knowledge (XXG). My point is that being written about in any worldwide newspaper or site doesn’t automatically mean the person written about is notable enough to sustain an article here.
539:. We have an obit in a paper of record written by their staff reporters. That is more than enough to pass ANYBIO #2 and shows an extreme likelihood of being able to pass the GNG per NPOSSIBLE. That alone is enough, but given that Xx236 was also able to find sourcing in the 264:
the only information in this single-sentence article is a note that Shivraj was an Indian actor and the note about when he died, followed by a list of films he was in. Information in the article could be merged with an article on one of these films.
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calls him "one of the most recognisable faces in the Hindi cinema of the 1950s and the 60s". Given the era, he's likely to have additional coverage in off-line sources. Have you attempted a search of newspaper archives and books?
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Many people who had obituaries published by The Hindu that I added to the deaths list fail to gain articles after a month and thus get removed. Having an obituary in a notable publishment doesn’t equate notability.
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The article sat bare for five months. That’s why I figured there wasn’t anything else to add after that point if no one including the article creator were adding anything for five months.
612:- there's sufficient indication of notability as per User:Tony Ballioni and User:Gidonb, and nom's argument that the article should be deleted just because it's still a stub is wrong IMO. 574:
totally fails GNG. Only one of the sources is reliable, that requires multiple reliable sources. IMDb seeks to cover everything, Knowledge (XXG) only covers actors of significant impact.
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I’m not wrong for thinking an article that’s only thing to say about the subject is that they were an actor isn’t notable. If he were there’d be a lot more added to the article.
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Only if they meet GNG. My point still stands that I believe having an obituary written by an outlet doesn’t automatically mean they pass GNG.
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If there was a wealth of information to include about Shivraj here it should’ve or would’ve been included upon article inception.
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Then we have many redlinked biographies from 2017 deaths that are notable and need articles written on them.
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see no problem with that, and don't understand why anyone else would, since space is not an issue.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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published his obituary is prima facie evidence of notability.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions
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That’s Just flagrantly incorrect. Many entries posted to
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