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As a Thai the name 'Siam Empire' itself is ridiculous no such nation state ever existed. The people in the area and the land itself is called
Siamese and Siam respectively, in turn they were ruled by various centers of power which ever one is more dominant militarily at the time- but never a concept of a single state, only of successive states which copy the traditions of others before it. In Thai itself no self respecting historians would describe the various 'Krungs' (e.g. Krung Sukhothai, Krung Si Ayutthaya, Krung Thonburi, Krung Rattanakosin) as an 'Empire' only as 'Kingdoms'. Please delete this article as soon as possible it is completely historically incorrect and unnecessary. Sodacan (talk) 19:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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The name "Siam" is not a name of an unique kingdom. It was used to describe many kingdoms which situated at the central of the modren state of
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Thailand, it needs to be deleted. All the facts are already in other articles and there is absolutely no need for this article's existence at all. It should be deleted as soon as possible.
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Britannica) used the word in Asia articles.", but that is, if at all, a reason for "Siam", not for
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Rattanakosin Kingdom only. Meanwhile, many books in same age preferred to describe Siam as Kingdom (compare with
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