320:. Okay, this is not as hard as it seemed; two articles, one on the Vladivostok Government and one on the Omsk Government, which were inexplicably named after the obscure figures who nominally headed them. I've boldly renamed. It is correct that this is a fork; I own a couple books by Shlapentokh but not this one so can't really see what exactly the cited source says — but the notion that there are two "encyclopedic" Siberian governments of the Civil War period is correct, I think. I'll keep puttering around with these pieces a little.
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The first work your mentioned was made in my university, hence it was easy to me to see the original text in russian :-) Russian text clearly says that "there was a PROCESS of creating
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