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227:"A new and very cheap drug is killing Greek youth who no longer can see a future for themselves. Sisa is a form of crystal meth being mixed with filler ingredients such as battery acid and engine oil. It makes users violent and kills within six months. Enter the relatively new drug called sisa (pronounced as shisha) that arrived on the scene about two years ago and soon became the drug of choice because it's the cheapest of them all -- a hit costs less than 2 Euro ($ 2.50). Easy to make at home, sisa is a deadly mix of crystal methamphetamine filled with the most weird and dangerous ingredients: battery acid, engine oil, shampoo and cooking salt. The Greek independent press eNet English has called it "cocaine of the poor" and the UK edition of Vice says its the "the epitome of an austerity drug." 237:". Really? You can make a blanket statement like that not knowing what's in it? Are they free basing meth cut with battery acid or are they free basing meth cut with cooking salt? I would think you'd need to know that before you decide that it makes you violent and kills you in 6 months. I was also under the impression that many drugs are cut with other things on occasion, so the fact that this is being cut with other ingredients isn't necessarily a notable thing. 197:
Investigating the cited sources, the drug appears to be regular street methamphetamine. "Sisa" appears to be what users call meth in Greece. 5 of the cited sources are subject to media bias, with the only authoritative source (Belgian Early Warning System on Drugs) stating the substance is simply
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However, if this specific preparation is getting a lot of press it might be notable enough. I'm leaning toward this having a mention on the general article for methamphetamine though. I suspect "sisa" might be a passing thing and it would be better as a section on the meth page.
263:, just another nickname for methamphetamine. Of course the stuff being sold on the streets in Greece has been stepped on, of course it has a nickname. Nothing remotely notable about either fact, certainly not enough to justify an article. 340:
substances to it and it's somehow being made cheaper than it already is. Battery acid, shampoo and motor oil aren't necessarily cheaper than the normal stuff that is used to make it, so I'm not sure how that changes anything.
408:. Our article on methamphetamine is a good article that provides lots of detailed information. The article on Sisa does not establish its independent notability and, at most, should be a subsection in the parent article. 318:
Every media source that implies sisa is a new drug preparation reeks of sensationalism. The case seems to be that meth, an unknown substance in the Greek drug scene before 2010, got the street name "sisa", nothing more.
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That would make a lot more sense. From everything I've ever been told, meth is already made from numerous dangerous household substances. It seemed strange that suddenly they're adding
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fledgling trend in crystal methamphetamine smoking has been observed. Use of methamphetamine in crystal form, locally known as ‘sisa’ or ‘shisha’, has been reported from
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from the EMCDDA, methamphetamine use has only recently become a problem in Europe, with availability rising sharply in the past few years. On page 6, the paper states:
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It sounds like meth is being cut with other things and they're calling it sisa. However, reading this seems fairly sensationalized "It makes users
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article talks about it a little more coherently, discussing that it's a preparation using meth and some other unknown ingredient.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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