227:"A new and very cheap drug is killing Greek youth who no longer can see a future for themselves. Sisa is a form of crystal meth being mixed with filler ingredients such as battery acid and engine oil. It makes users violent and kills within six months. Enter the relatively new drug called sisa (pronounced as shisha) that arrived on the scene about two years ago and soon became the drug of choice because it's the cheapest of them all -- a hit costs less than 2 Euro ($ 2.50). Easy to make at home, sisa is a deadly mix of crystal methamphetamine filled with the most weird and dangerous ingredients: battery acid, engine oil, shampoo and cooking salt. The Greek independent press eNet English has called it "cocaine of the poor" and the UK edition of Vice says its the "the epitome of an austerity drug."
237:". Really? You can make a blanket statement like that not knowing what's in it? Are they free basing meth cut with battery acid or are they free basing meth cut with cooking salt? I would think you'd need to know that before you decide that it makes you violent and kills you in 6 months. I was also under the impression that many drugs are cut with other things on occasion, so the fact that this is being cut with other ingredients isn't necessarily a notable thing.
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However, if this specific preparation is getting a lot of press it might be notable enough. I'm leaning toward this having a mention on the general article for methamphetamine though. I suspect "sisa" might be a passing thing and it would be better as a section on the meth page.
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