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You must allow me the benefit of playing on home ground here. I read norwegian newspapers daily, and I can assure you; there has not been any "What will be their next project together"-discussions in the media, and there is no common understanding in Norway that they now form an established duo. They
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The article doesn't claim there is a long-term partnership, it simply describes the notable 2009 collaboration. The product was a multi-platinum selling album, attributed to "Sissel & Odd", that surely must have received sustained coverage. Again, rather than encouraging someone to find better
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Yes, I agree that some collaborations do warrant their own articles. But only if it proven by reliable sources that there is a collaboration that goes beyond that one album. You might have misunderstood my argument: It is of course possible for etablished artists to form new duos, but there is no
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I like this example as it clarifies the deletion rationale for me - thank you! However, whilst I more clearly see why there is a case for deletion, I remain of the opinion that the case for keep is much stronger. There are some good reasons why this particular comparison does not sway
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Which Knowledge (XXG) guideline or policy requires that the collaboration "goes beyond one album"? What we have here is (a) a collaboration that is notable (unlike some of your other examples) - as shown by the fact it produced a number one album
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You presumably agree that some collaborations, such as Gnarls Barkley, do warrant their own articles (maybe you do not - your deletion rationale is that established artists forming duos have no inherent notability - but whether
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Concerning the inclusion guidelines: Should it not be responsibility to those in favour of keep to supply the article with good references? My claim still stands: We need sources to prove that this is a duo.
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The purpose of that rule is IMHO to make one hit wonders notable. There is no doubt that both Ms Kyrkjebø and Mr Nordstoga are notable in their own right; the matter of this discussion is whether they
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It is indeed "common for established artists to come together and form a new band"; but that is not the case here, and there a no reliable sources to the idea that this one record collaberation is the
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proof that there has been formed a new duo in this case; all we can see is a one album collaberation between two major norwegian artists, very much like the Cash collaberation projects i refered to.
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in the lead in-sentence, and there are no sources for that. IMHO being a duo means that a) the two agree to define themselves as a exclusive duo for a period of time, b) perform or record together.
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In that case, change the word 'duo' to 'duet' or 'collaboration', which would be a far more constructive approach than trying to get an article deleted on grounds of semantics.
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My second argument is that the existance of the article is based upon a misunderstanding of the nature of artist collaberation. Some comparitions: Johnny Cash has made
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made one record together in 2009, and march 2010 was the last mention of the term "Sissel & Odd" in the papers, that was in connection with the norwegians grammy
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Of course there was media coverage; these two are norwegian megastars, and they made a bestselling record together. But that is not the issue. In the case of
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do or not - consensus is that they do), and I agree with you that (obviously) there are other collaborations that do not. The question is, on which side does
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I fail to se the difference between this collaboration and my examples; at least two of the three mentioned Cash collaborations reached the charts.
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I am trying to delete this article because it is describing something unexisting, and therefore without any sources. The difference between a
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article. The album and single are not simply attributed to the two individual artists, a new name for the duo has aparrently been created.
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the article explicitely says that they "formed the duo". That is not the case here. The only raison d'etre for this article is claim that
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sources and develop the article, we have an editor trying to delete an article completely. The resons for deletion are erroneous.
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Whilst we were citing some examples before to show a general trend; one specific case is not really indicative of anything, per
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duo fall? As it had a number one album and top twenty single in Norway, I don't think there is any doubt that it is notable.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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or not. I haven't met anyone in Norway who believe that they are. And then we're back with
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with other well known artists, but it would not be right of wikipedia to speak of
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There is a subtle, but perhaps important, difference. We are not discussing the
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be, (unless it has been tested at AfD already). Perhaps there should be.
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Two solo artists making one record together does not establish a duo
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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