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Looks good to me; still, we need something to make this article notable, say, a name of a notable sportsman who made it to the Olymplics, or if not at least to the National Championship or any notable competition. Otherwise, it looks like a Little League in Baseball or a Day Care Squad in Soccer.
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The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish
521:: from a few minutes research, it seems this was an initiative of the CP Jewish sections during the Popular Front era. It was one of the competing organisations of social/sports clubs tied to political parties during the inter-war years in Europe and the US. Its the same thing as the 474:
Sorry, it's the same book that's cited in the article. And mentions Skala in one short sentence "At least one local sports club---Skala (Rock)---consisted primarily of members of the Jewish Section of the Communist Party." Nowhere near enough to base an article on.
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But please expand a bit - way too stubby and also contextualize notability. Sources do seem to exist but we're dealing with timewarp issues (most sources arguably offline) and likely language barriers. Also noot
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or somesuch, but it certainly doesn't compose one all on its own. (If it were actually marked as a stub, I wouldn't say this; that alone would be an implicit claim of notability. But it's not.)  –
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http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9027932395&id=82ncGA4GuN4C&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&ots=wlRamGIAQ3&dq=zydokomuna+endeks&sig=oiNo2S0bQl7bW6EUb3edvKEcKXg#PPA290,M1
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Piotrus, can you see if there are any references. Sports clubs like this usually do get into publications, though this is almost certainly pre-Google.
277:, notability might be an issue, but its certainly not an OR issue. Jewish sections were established in many communist parties at the time (see 617: 589: 17: 658: 543:
I hope those references are better than two sentences in a book (I checked page 99 as well; it is another one-sentence mention).
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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seems to mention Jewish Communist sports movement in the 1930s. Could anyone give a translation to
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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clubs (Labour-Zionist), etc. I'll add a couple of leads for refs on the article talk page.
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Which book is that? i couldn't identify it (it's not in top 10 hits when i google). --
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by Michael Brenner, Gideon Reuveni, Universität München Institute of Jewish History.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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Komunistyczna Partia Polski i ZKM zrzeszały w 1927 roku 76 klubów żydowskich
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
592:, but I don't see enough material about Skala to meet the 618:
Jewish Communist sports movements in interbellum Poland
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per A7. Perhaps this line belongs in an article about
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Mentioned in passing if you look at the page numbers.
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There is one other definite hit (different book) in
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Skala (sports organization)
Skala (sports organization)
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