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Babylon 5 trivia, are kept: these are articles that have so far slipped through the cracks. AfD is run by average editors and they nominate things when found, things can last awhile before someone who knows about AfD and cares finds them. There is a lot of inappropriate articles out there that do need to be removed and that's what we're here for. An article on Babylon 5 trivia certainly would warrant an AfD nomination. --
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Knowledge (XXG) from becoming a directory, which is certainly not a danger in this case (the MHS article is another story). I mentioned the Babylon 5 example to point out that while in writing guidlines may seem very specific, in practice they can be very subjective. To be too literal and severe with the application of standards would result in deletion of a substantial portion of Knowledge (XXG) (as well as a lot of angry Babylon 5 fans). I just don't think the case is clear for this article.
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Guiness Book of Records museum of raree shows is for the mascot to be significant in its own right by something it does/has done. Did Spoofhound bite a player? Did a player bite Spoofhound? Other than some attribute to the story, we need something that needs to be explained about the mascot.
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Blue? "Go, Color Blue!" The thing about the wave was that it raised the question of what an individual from the school was. If someone from Auburn is "a war eagle," someone from Texas is "a longhorn," I could never figure out if I was supposed to be a "green droplet" or a "aquamarine squirt."
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Answering that deleting this article benefits the encyclopedia because it is unencyclopedic is tautological. The real issue is why the article is unencyclopedic. You are asserting that it is because it is not "notable" or "important". This seems to me a very arbitrary and subjective criteria for
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Spoofhound mascot is notable beyond Maryville High School. I'm an alumnus, and when we participated in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in 1989, every interview conducted with the band focused on the mascot above everything else. I've met
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to me, there are 2 things to look at here. First, is the concept of the "Spoof Hound" Carnival Toy and the stated origin of the team name notable and verifiable. I think the answer to that is clearly no. All sources for this definition and explanation of a spoof hound are from
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Maryville High School for deletion. Public high schools are, by and large, not notable either. Since that's where the 'spoofhound' article is possibly being merged to, I thought it relevant to point this out.
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applied to other articles. Guidelines for various subjects state that the verifiable importance of the subject must be outlines within the article itself. This article doesn't...quite frankly because it cannot. This isn't a notable and important subject.
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as its mascot, and, no matter how weird that is, it's not actually a matter of importance. If you want to see St. Bob's
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a mascot challenge, but it was devoted to college mascots (which are peopled by male cheerleaders and gymnasts, generally). Even with them, it was a "hey, this is cute" bit. What needs to be present for us to avoid either a
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stub articles like this will tell the stories of these quirky names. It's pretty clear from the comments thus far that the article is going to disappear. Too bad. There's a category for unique high school mascots.
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I am thirty years old. Not in high school and have never set foot in the state that this high school is in. Please don't make wild and unfounded accusations.
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