638:(De-indenting somewhat). Yes, it would be a substantially different article than what's present now, certainly, but I do think the article name itself is fine, and that the content from the existing articles could be used to create part of the the article I'm thinking about. It'd be one thing if they were full of nonsense, but they're not, so I'll accept that there's some potential usage there. I suppose one could start over from scratch, but I see no reason to do that.
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But that article would do nothing other than serve as plot summary of overly great detail. The scale of the articles is a bit misleading- there are only two video games being involved here, and they don't need such a microscopic level of detail. Right now, the summaries in their articles seem
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