874:. Nobody here is is working for any other Linux distributions or other entities - our only goal is to maintain a reliable and respected encyclopedia. In addition, many of us are also part of the open source community that you benefit from. This is the first AfD for all of these articles - so the primary notability has not been established by consensus. If the articles do survive this process, then you can use that as precedent in future AfD discussions, but remember that
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