850:. Since a holiday that discourages the use of greeting cards can't be a Hallmark holiday, maybe the deleters would be better served by adding a section like "Some feel this holiday doesn't actually exist and was only meant as a joke." So far the arguments against notability are: (a) coined by one guy for self-promotion (countered by Sadie Hawkins Day and Administrative Professionals Day, each of which was coined by one guy), (b) not actually celebrated by anyone (a trap, really, because celebrating it apparently makes me ineligible to oppose its deletion according to one deleter), (c) intended as a joke (again, Sadie Hawkins Day was plainly meant as a joke originally, as is Talk like a Pirate Day.) Any other arguments?
299:- having the article being #1 Google result for a search of the actual term is not much of an argument for keeping the article - if I made up a hoax article on "Give Confusing Manifestation Money Day" it would be number 1 in its search. More important would be things like - is it being covered in major media? Is there a chance of it getting included in some kind of official calendar? Does anyone notable publicly endorse it? If you can give strong positive answers to those, then you can put them in the article, and maybe make it saveable.
772:'reaching a consensus' is foolish, you cannot reach a consensus with only the parties who are interested to vote, or the odd person who stumbles across the VfD to vote. The only way to reach one would be to poll a large group outside the influence of Knowledge (XXG) after they read the article. The point of this is to see if the article is suitable for inclusion in Knowledge (XXG), if it meets the standards or notability, not if people think it should be in or not. -
259:: The holiday is 4 years old now, I personally celebrated it this year with a friend despite not living in Boston and having never heard of this DJ, and the article is currently the #1 result on Google for "steak and a bj day". I just looked it up randomly tonight when a friend questioned the date, leading me to this discussion. In short, the subject of this article is considerably more notable now than when it was deleted last year.
562:; the use of offensive language, even in the title, should not be an issue. The fundamental issue here is whether every idiotic idea some DJ proposes on the radio deserves an encyclopedia article. The goal of wikipedia is to document significant things and events, not to provide a forum for popularizing insignificant cruft. That's what the debate should focus on. --
1041:. As for saying that the event is notable because it was a major event created by a radio station and radio stations are notable, that could easily become the beginning of a slippery slope of similar arguments - association with notability is not enough to create notability in itself, and even then doesn't necessarily imply enough notability to have its own article.
546:- Would it make the deleters happy if the article were renamed to not include the word "blowjob", and a redirect left in place the way "blowjob" currently redirects to "oral sex"? I really get the impression that the lack of notability people are citing is actually squeamishness, as there are certainly less notable topics on Knowledge (XXG).
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I really think that over 40,000 Google hits (on the quoted phrases "steak and bj day" and "steak and blowjob day") ought to be considered proof of significance, not to mention notability. People are plainly looking for information on the holiday, no matter what the deleters' personal feelings on the
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please keeep this page!!!. I wan't S 'n' BJ day to become a custom in other coutrie - we have to spread the word. if you still want to delete it you should delete the page about valentines day as well (Vote placed at 21:22, 11 June 2006 by 83.18.169.203. The vote was in mistake added to the first
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There arent very many national holidays around the world. I assume you mean a public/bank/free-day-off holiday. Fathers day is not, infact, most 'holidays' are not national holidays, I know this is a pretty bad argument against, but its not a very strong argument for, either.
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flexibility to decide which votes count and which don't (i.e. sockpuppets), and then apply some judgement as to whether consensus has been reached without being bound by some strict and exact numerical threshold. If twenty people write nothing more than
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720:per nom, nn
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433:Strong Keep
144:Hobbeslover
1017:Raindog469
984:Raindog469
918:ENpeeOHvee
865:Precedence
852:Raindog469
815:Precedence
794:not voting
691:Raindog469
668:Kevin_b_er
582:Raindog469
548:Raindog469
532:Raindog469
499:Raindog469
485:Sean Black
348:Raindog469
314:Precedence
275:Raindog469
261:Raindog469
241:Then read
141:per above
127:Raindog469
1100:Isotope23
1004:Easyas12c
970:Easyas12c
468:embracing
449:Chicheley
47:brenneman
1088:contribs
1076:unsigned
942:RoySmith
894:RoySmith
803:RoySmith
761:RoySmith
595:RoySmith
564:RoySmith
283:RoySmith
279:contribs
232:Deathawk
181:RoySmith
157:BuckRose
83:GassyGuy
1039:Comment
1029:Comment
996:Comment
966:give up
840:Comment
785:Rory096
732:Comment
722:Jaranda
704:Rory096
677:Rory096
544:Comment
383:Comment
297:Comment
247:Fan1967
212:Fan1967
169:Fan1967
70:JoshuaZ
1096:Delete
1080:Calton
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281:). --
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926:Keep.
867:that
386:(UTC)
199:BigDT
16:<
1084:talk
962:keep
958:keep
873:Trjn
824:Trjn
774:Trjn
744:Trjn
656:JJay
652:Keep
472:Trjn
421:Trjn
391:Trjn
364:Keep
326:Trjn
257:Keep
224:Keep
98:Trjn
1069:bad
1056:日本穣
740:NOT
736:NOT
642:|
465:and
437:jgp
374:GWO
1090:)
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