261:. While it is not completely clear that umpires qualify as automatically as players, we have set a reasonably low bar in saying that being on the team list is enough. In my experience, football umpires usually become fairly well known even without making particularly notorious decisions (this may reflect the fact that the nature of many of their decisions is such that they are always slightly controversial). Verifiability is not a problem, so there's no harm in keeping it.
106:/athletes who have played in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, or at the highest level in mainly amateur sports, including college sports in the United States." There is absolutely no doubt that umpires are "sportspeople", and they are participating in a fully professional league. I think that the intended meaning of "played" should be assumed to be "participated in". Unless you're denying that the
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