Knowledge (XXG)

:Articles for deletion/Stephen Colbert (character)/Archive 1 - Knowledge (XXG)

Source 📝

586:
The article itself needs major work, but it's creation allows a seperation between information about the character and the actor, who have obviously led very different lives. Plus, if the show keeps promoting the wikipedia, more users will be visiting in the future. It would be better to give them
599:
Needs to be cleaned up and sourced, but neither feat should be too difficult. The character is important and clearly distinct from the real person, and therefore doesn't fit within the Colbert's article (though I'll admit that the line between the two is more blurred than with traditional
405:. No-one would deny the notability of Colbert and his parodic character, but this should be found at his main bio page, until compelling discussion there suggests that a fork of this nature would be beneficial. The WP:OR and citation issues raised above are in many ways a canard. 449:, mainly because of its heavily in-universe perspective, but after cleanup, there may still be enough material to merit keeping the article. If, after extensive cleanup, there ends up not being enough material to sustain a full article, then we can merge it into either 545:-he's a character created by Colbert so of course there are going to be fake facts just like any other fictional character. He has developed a cult following so there's the notablity. Like other articles on fiction and fictional characters I've read, any 151:, many of these were just one-off statements made as a joke. The gaps in between are filled by original research. Unless this article can become something other than a compilation of jokes, it belongs on Wikiality, not Knowledge (XXG). Everything 561:
It is just like any other fictional character that has a Knowledge (XXG) page. Only in this case both the actor and the character have the same name. And the information on the character is way too much for it to be merged with the main article.
235:
Fake statements, fake facts, etc? If we delete this for such reasons, might as well as delete every fictional character Bio, starting with Spiderman and every other manga article. Its a fictional character, thus a fictional bio
378: 510:
As others said, most of this is cobbled together by taking a bunch of one-liners at face value. The concept of an article about the character is not out of the question, but it would need a 100% rewrite.
369:. I know, I know. The article has problems and is a fancruft magnet. But its major problem is that it's written from an in-universe perspective. The Colbert character has been written about plenty (e.g 21: 136: 109: 104: 113: 96: 457:. (By the way, I wouldn't put it past Colbert to actually talk about this deletion discussion on his show, especially if his article ends up deleted.) -- 381:
that deal with the character overall. I think there's significant material that could be written that would be too much for a subsection in the
243:
There are numerous secondary sources and a documented, consistent canon for superheros. This is just a bunch of one-liners strung together.
620: 604: 591: 578: 566: 553: 527: 515: 502: 477: 461: 437: 421: 409: 393: 359: 333: 315: 302: 289: 256: 230: 210: 192: 172: 78: 17: 433:
and prune mercilessly. This level of obsessive detail is completely unnecessary and can be adequately covered in the main article.
100: 143:
This entire article is based on the false premise that colbert's statements are reliable sources about himself. There is no
574:
As Mkeranat said this just happens to be a fictional character who shares the same name as the actor who portrays him. --
56:. There is substantial sentiment for a merge. If that happens, though, it will be an editorial decision, carried out by 635: 40: 325:
of course we can use his statements as a source. This article is perfectly ok among those on fictional characters (ie
92: 84: 295: 535:-because i think that this is a part of a highly-rated news show and that it is diferent from the colbert report. 634:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
39:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
273: 155:
that can be said about the character (that he's a satirical arch-conservative and such) is already in the
284: 281: 272:
I've never understood why this article is separate from Colbert's biography. Do we have a separate
498: 494: 418: 355: 351: 252: 248: 206: 202: 168: 164: 473:. The persona Colbert adopts is more to the point of the show as satire than the guy himself. -- 470: 454: 390: 227: 189: 75: 330: 489:
article; there's nothing in this one that isn't in there but fake facts and original research.
601: 370: 33:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
542: 374: 65: 61: 53: 546: 446: 339: 550: 450: 430: 402: 220: 144: 57: 445:- I don't think that this article is beyond hope quite yet. Yes, it does currently fail 617: 575: 490: 486: 382: 347: 299: 244: 216: 198: 182: 160: 156: 346:
is a pretty atrocious article, too, chock full of original analysis of the character.
613: 563: 512: 485:
To everyone advocating a merge -- there is already a summary of the character in the
474: 458: 434: 406: 386: 312: 215:
Parts of the article stating elements of the character should be added to either the
197:
What's to merge? None of it is sourced; all of it is just fake facts from the show.
69: 588: 343: 326: 130: 277: 148: 524: 377:. The fan-OR and fake bio aspects need to be substantially trimmed, and 628:
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
373:, performed before the US President, and can easily pass 223:. However the fake bio should be scrapped altogether. ~ 126: 122: 118: 587:
a proper outlet than just trying to supress them. --
43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 638:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 147:, though, or facts of the universe like in 294:Nope, but there is a separate article for 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 311:was named "Clifford Huxtable." :) -- 28: 307:Also, Bill Cosby's character on 181:, clean up and redirect to the 1: 52:, closed early on account of 240:] 2:27, 1st June 2007 (UTC) 93:Stephen Colbert (character) 85:Stephen Colbert (character) 22:Stephen Colbert (character) 655: 238:Unregistered user browsing 549:needs to be weeded out. 631:Please do not modify it. 621:19:55, 2 June 2007 (UTC) 605:02:48, 2 June 2007 (UTC) 592:16:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 579:14:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 567:13:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 554:02:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 528:23:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 516:22:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 503:21:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 478:21:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 462:13:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 438:13:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 422:10:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 410:09:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 394:08:50, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 360:08:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 334:07:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 316:03:17, 2 June 2007 (UTC) 303:08:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 290:07:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 257:12:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC) 231:07:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 211:06:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 193:06:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 173:06:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 79:23:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC) 36:Please do not modify it. 274:Bill Cosby (character) 342:disagrees with you. 600:actors/characters). 371:this week's Newsweek 541:1. per Dhartung 2. 417:as per Dhartung. -- 471:The Colbert Report 455:The Colbert Report 523:to actor's page. 646: 633: 287: 134: 116: 73: 38: 654: 653: 649: 648: 647: 645: 644: 643: 642: 636:deletion review 629: 451:Stephen Colbert 431:Stephen Colbert 403:Stephen Colbert 379:citations found 285: 221:Stephen Colbert 107: 91: 88: 71: 48:The result was 41:deletion review 34: 26: 25: 24: 12: 11: 5: 652: 650: 641: 640: 624: 623: 607: 594: 581: 569: 556: 536: 530: 518: 505: 487:Colbert Report 480: 464: 440: 424: 412: 396: 383:Colbert Report 364: 363: 362: 320: 319: 318: 309:The Cosby Show 305: 296:Jerry Seinfeld 267: 266: 265: 264: 263: 262: 261: 260: 259: 228:punch the keys 217:Colbert Report 190:punch the keys 183:Colbert Report 157:Colbert Report 141: 140: 87: 82: 46: 45: 29: 27: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 651: 639: 637: 632: 626: 625: 622: 619: 615: 611: 608: 606: 603: 598: 595: 593: 590: 585: 582: 580: 577: 573: 570: 568: 565: 560: 557: 555: 552: 548: 544: 540: 537: 534: 531: 529: 526: 522: 519: 517: 514: 509: 506: 504: 500: 496: 492: 488: 484: 481: 479: 476: 472: 468: 465: 463: 460: 456: 452: 448: 444: 441: 439: 436: 432: 428: 425: 423: 420: 416: 413: 411: 408: 404: 400: 397: 395: 392: 388: 384: 380: 376: 372: 368: 365: 361: 357: 353: 349: 345: 341: 337: 336: 335: 332: 328: 324: 321: 317: 314: 310: 306: 304: 301: 297: 293: 292: 291: 288: 283: 279: 275: 271: 268: 258: 254: 250: 246: 242: 241: 239: 234: 233: 232: 229: 226: 222: 218: 214: 213: 212: 208: 204: 200: 196: 195: 194: 191: 188: 184: 180: 177: 176: 175: 174: 170: 166: 162: 158: 154: 150: 146: 138: 132: 128: 124: 120: 115: 111: 106: 102: 98: 94: 90: 89: 86: 83: 81: 80: 77: 74: 67: 63: 59: 55: 51: 44: 42: 37: 31: 30: 23: 19: 630: 627: 609: 602:Jeff Silvers 596: 583: 571: 558: 538: 532: 520: 507: 482: 466: 443:Keep for now 442: 426: 414: 398: 366: 344:Captain Hero 327:Captain Hero 322: 308: 276:article for 269: 237: 224: 186: 178: 152: 142: 49: 47: 35: 32: 508:Weak Delete 385:article. -- 323:speedy keep 185:article. ~ 551:MrMurph101 338:Actually, 278:Bill Cosby 618:JayJasper 576:Toxicroak 491:Night Gyr 475:mordicai. 348:Night Gyr 300:Toxicroak 245:Night Gyr 225:SEEnoEVIL 199:Night Gyr 187:SEEnoEVIL 161:Night Gyr 159:article. 149:Star Wars 614:Mkeranat 564:Mkeranat 513:Jaysweet 459:Hnsampat 435:Otto4711 407:Eusebeus 387:Dhartung 313:Hnsampat 153:reliable 137:View log 20:‎ | 589:GoNINzo 543:WP:FICT 483:Comment 375:WP:FICT 282:Yechiel 270:Comment 110:protect 105:history 66:WP:BOLD 62:WP:TALK 547:WP:SYN 447:WP:WAF 340:WP:WAF 114:delete 521:Merge 467:Merge 427:Merge 399:Merge 331:BMF81 179:Merge 145:canon 131:views 123:watch 119:links 64:, or 58:WP:PM 16:< 616:. -- 612:per 610:Keep 597:Keep 584:Keep 572:Keep 559:Keep 539:Keep 533:Keep 495:talk 415:Keep 391:Talk 367:Keep 352:talk 329:).-- 298:. -- 249:talk 203:talk 165:talk 127:logs 101:talk 97:edit 76:acan 68:. ·· 54:snow 50:keep 525:JJL 469:to 453:or 429:to 401:to 286:Man 219:or 135:– ( 70:coe 511:-- 501:) 499:Oy 419:TM 389:| 358:) 356:Oy 280:? 255:) 253:Oy 209:) 207:Oy 171:) 169:Oy 129:| 125:| 121:| 117:| 112:| 108:| 103:| 99:| 60:, 497:/ 493:( 354:/ 350:( 251:/ 247:( 205:/ 201:( 167:/ 163:( 139:) 133:) 95:( 72:l

Index

Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion
Stephen Colbert (character)
deletion review
snow
WP:PM
WP:TALK
WP:BOLD
coel
acan
23:00, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Stephen Colbert (character)
Stephen Colbert (character)
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
canon
Star Wars
Colbert Report
Night Gyr
talk
Oy
06:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Colbert Report

Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.