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that reviewed his book, not articles he has published. "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." is what I summarize as being an expert in his subject. The independent reliable sources are: 1/ the peer reviewers and editors who accepted and published the 4 books--academic books these days normally need 3 or 4 positive reviews to be accepted for publication. 2/The book reviewers writing in significant academic journals 3/the people who have cited the books--very difficult to find in this subject comprehensively, but the GScholar results are indicative. 4/the hundreds of librarians and faculty advisors in academic libraries who have selected the books for purchase--how libraries do this varies, but at least one person in each must have positively selected the book for each of them. (as a guide, at the most academically stringent universities , the basic criterion for permanent tenure is 2 books; at most universities it can be fewer. From the way the article was written, I carelessly assumed at first there was 1 book with 1 significant review only, in which case i would have said delete. Fortunately I actually looked at the sources before giving my first assumptions.
825:. Where you wrote: "How is this notable or memorable? I say that is it no different than any of the other myriad women's rights caterwauling that's been going on for the last several hundred years. No different than an article on 'Molly's bra burning at the Bush second inauguration party, 2004, Salem, Mass.' Sourcing seems a bit suspect as well. Rubbish." -- 650:- sorry, DGG, just to clarify the above, are you saying he's written one book "Scotland and the Thirty Years' War", with reviews in Journal of Military history, etc; or that he's written a selection of books and articles including "Journal of Military History", "Scottish Economic & Social History", etc? (The latter would pass the broad definition for 439: 443: 357:
I have placed a stub tag on the article. The article describes the subject as a "reader": this is a senior academic post in a UK university. The award of this status by his university ought to be sufficient to demonstate his notability. WE are not talking about a school teacher who writes a couple
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Unfortunately, the notability of the subject has not been demonstrated. There are many historians and scholars out there and this article says nothing of how its subject stands apart from the countless mass of past or present "scholars." I would suggest that the author of this article do a bit more
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He was written 3 books and co-edited another. Of these books, I have found multiple reviews for one of them--I have not looked comprehensively for find reviews for the other ones, partly because what I found already is I think sufficient in that direction. The four journals mentioned are journals
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criterion 5, to which I assume you were referring. Barring some specific evidence of the University of St Andrews being a contra-example, "reader" is generally a position below "Chair" or "Distinguished Professor". -
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and possibly also criterion 1, the former may or may not.) Also, when you say "expert status", are you referring to any particular policy? I'm not aware of it being a criterion under
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appears to fall short of criterion 5, there's no sufficent mass of citation provided to suggest he meets criterion 1, and no suggestion that he'd meet any other criterion.) -
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I believe we now have sufficient evidence of his academic notability, which was not present at the time Torkmann nominated.
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Thankyou for the clarification. I've changed my opinion above accordingly to "weak keep" on the basis of your arguments. -
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through multiple significant independent reliable sources, and the article does not make any claim against any criterion of
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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DGG convinced me. Reader in this case does indicated a notable person, all requirements are thus met.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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are the same person. Both are wikistalking me and nominating my articles for deletion. --
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Meets all requirements for notability and verifiability. I have a sneaking feeling that
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notable, though I would accept Senior Reader in a major research university. But this p
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lists 37 works by him from 1996 to 2008: this should be ample tp prove notability.
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evidence of notability. Many of your articles do not. No offense.
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doesn't bring up many citations. 15, 9, 8, 7, 7 are the top items.
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But also remember that the article must at least demonstrate some
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research on his topics before starting articles of dubious value.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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It looks like a combination of ignorance and harassment to me:
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(Specifically, his position of 417:at the U St. Andrews will help. - 24: 827:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 760:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 558:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 1: 868:10:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC) 835:05:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC) 789:03:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC) 768:03:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC) 387:suggests it does not satisfy 358:of books! 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