379:. He has not played in a fully professional league. I remember when a cypriot team played against Linfield in UEFA Cup, it was said by a North Irish coach who has worked both in Cyprus and Northern Ireland, that two players of the Cypriot team are paid the total amount of all the Linfield players. And as a note, Cyprus is considered semi-professional! Also he has not played in UEFA Champions League but two matches in the First Qualifying Round of UEFA Champions League!--
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question... "Which country with amature league, has a national team with great successes???" and the answer was
Ireland (I know we are talking for North Ireland, however keep in mind that the north is even weaker than republic!!!!!!). So of what all of you have said THIS LEAGUE IS NOT AT ALL PROFESSIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--
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When you say that, "there's little to no independent source material available here for an article", there is easily enough independent source material available. A brief check found two uefa.com sources plus a number of BBC sources, three of which I have added to the article, one of which mentions
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Sorry but the comparison with
Andorra and the Faroe Islands just doesn't hold up. Population of Northern Ireland - over 1,700,000 with three main divisions in their football league system. Population of Andorra, just over 70,000. Population of the Faroe Islands under 50,000. The two leagues do not
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Who told you that this league is professional????????????????? Any sources that is professional????? As I know
Northern Ireland is an amature league. I have heard that many times from media that irish competitions are amature. Also in a machine of trivia questions that u play for quiz I remember a
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A player in "nation" top division. At least FIFA ranking of NI not as low as Faroe
Islands and Andorra, but no.29, which higher than Bulgaria, Israel, Norway, Republic of Ireland, Slovakia, Finland, Macedonia, Belgium, Austria. Although your can say national team ranking not relevant to national
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with that is apparent, but the point at which repeated "But WHY???"s become obstructive has been passed; that's the answer there is, and more probably won't be forthcoming. In any event, there's nothing in policy or guideline requiring an article to be several paragraphs in length. You've been
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That doesn't answer my question, either. If you need it typed out, from the box at the top of WP:BIO: "However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." This, to me, looks like one of those exceptions—there's little to no independent source
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particular player? That doesn't seem to be getting answered here, and "All X are notable" isn't a valid argument, whether that's "all schools" or "all pro athletes." (For a while, "all schools" worked, but it didn't stand up to challenge, and now schools are routinely deleted or merged.)
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Premier website, and from there to Linfield's website. Lo and behold, the player profiles, each and every one, references the date they signed their most recent contract as well as their length in years; Douglas' as well:
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My point was that using the
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Premier League at all. The top team in Andorra, FC Andorra, compete in Spanish football as it is of a much higher standard and the Andorran league was only lauunched in 1995 and consists of a total of 8 teams.
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quoted the passage upon which precedent is founded and supported by consensus, and you've been shown the links for talk pages where you can chime in to mold consensus more to your liking.
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on contracts, but they are still semi-pro. Many players in the IPL are described as "semi-professional", as
Douglas was in an earlier version of this page and as Steve Collier is
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Perhaps I should say "non-trivial source material", then. The BBC source I see drops his name, it isn't about him. The rest I see are similar, they're about the team, not him.
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