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Chicago certainly has long been at the very the highest level of US universities in Economics. (We should distinguish him from businessman whose N is running businesses and have quite different N concerns). I have added some of his many papers and awards. I fixed some of the many typos. I wonder who wrote the article.
365:(edit conflict) I do not see what your point is, despite your citing of various policies. Do you dispute that Kaplan has a named professorship at a world-renowned business school? If you do not, then clearly this article should exist. Whether there are problems within the article or whether parts or unsourced or whatever, has very little to do with deletion of this article. --
302:, sorry to be slightly snappy about this one, but no matter if the person is notable or not there are no reliable second party sources anywhere (the link to the university web site is not a second party source, but one that is associated with the person) in this article. What is worse, this thing links to his FAMILY WEB SITE for which I don't see any reason at all. So we have
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The point is the only thing that is attributable is that Kaplan is a professor and that he has several publications, the rest of the article should go. That would also mean that it is sourced i.a.w. WP:ATT and WP:BPL and there would be no problem keeping it. As is 80% - 90% is not reliable
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Yes, I'm sure David is already aware of this. You seem to be confusing the issue of sourcing and deleting content with deletion of articles themselves. WP:BLP is designed to make sure information in a bio is reliably sourced. Not to advocate deletion of bios on notable persons.
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