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barcoding technology! I have got this original DNA testing report from Dr Verma, who in-turn obtained it from the link available on the article written by one of the famous and most prestigious press reporters from USA. Alternatively, I can upload it on google docs/or wikileaks so that you could download it and see.
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Most of the professors and research staff of hundreds of
Universities across world full-fill the above criteria, only a few are on Knowledge (XXG). The awards given above in support of this person are not itself so big and renowned to be considered for Knowledge (XXG) The article substantially lacks
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If permitted, I can upload this document on wikipedia and it will prove beyond doubt that technology that was used to un-cover the famous US fish fraud (popularly known as
Florida Fish Scandal) was of Verma (as cited in the original report itself), but the credit for this was later given to Hebert's
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Scholars . His work was suppressed due to ignorance about the facts highlighted above. Once the world know the facts through this wiki discussion/wiki pages, there will be thousands of citations of Dr Verma's original work. This is not the first case where the scientific discoveries have
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Can anyone let the world know the difference between these two works? In fact, there is no difference and the fact is that it was indeed pioneered by none other than Dr Verma. No need to emphasize that the discovery of 'Universal primer
Technology of Dr Verma (later renamed as DNA barcoding' by
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Can I upload on wiki an original document (original DNA testing report from a US based company) which employed the technology of Verma (as cited in the report itself under the methodology section) and which later became a major breakthrough in entire USA to fight food frauds (See links here -
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Thanks for the guidance. Though, I never wanted to say that 140 citations are a great number of citations! Sorry, if it appeared as so. I just wanted to make a point that the number of citations could have been thousands or even more if proper credit was given to the discovery of Verma.
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I appreciate though that you in principle agree that the science could have gone wrong in this case, and there is a scope for correction and that if I provide you with such authentic links, these can be reported in Wiki!
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