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762:', two years before than Paul Hebert. I have contacted Dr S K Verma and informed him about this discussion on wiki. Very soon I shall get from him important technical, scientific and popular documents/links to those documents that will further demonstrate that the 'Universal Primer Technology' discovered by him is the one that is indeed renamed as 'DNA Barcoding' by other groups. Please wait... 667:. Regarding principal scientist, it is just a position in research institute and not somebody full in-charge of that research facility. Other senior positions in his institute are several Sr. Principal Scientists,Outstanding Scientists, Chief scientists, Director etc. .Person is not even a group leader in his institute 925:
barcoding technology! I have got this original DNA testing report from Dr Verma, who in-turn obtained it from the link available on the article written by one of the famous and most prestigious press reporters from USA. Alternatively, I can upload it on google docs/or wikileaks so that you could download it and see.
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Most of the professors and research staff of hundreds of Universities across world full-fill the above criteria, only a few are on Knowledge (XXG). The awards given above in support of this person are not itself so big and renowned to be considered for Knowledge (XXG) The article substantially lacks
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If permitted, I can upload this document on wikipedia and it will prove beyond doubt that technology that was used to un-cover the famous US fish fraud (popularly known as Florida Fish Scandal) was of Verma (as cited in the original report itself), but the credit for this was later given to Hebert's
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4. I strongly believe that the respected editors of wikipedia should not only keep the page of Dr Verma but also unbiasedly highlight the above facts on his wiki page so that entire world could know 'who indeed discovered the DNA barcoding' two yrs before the scientist who is popularly known to be
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of Google Scholars . His work was suppressed due to ignorance about the facts highlighted above. Once the world know the facts through this wiki discussion/wiki pages, there will be thousands of citations of Dr Verma's original work. This is not the first case where the scientific discoveries have
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Can anyone let the world know the difference between these two works? In fact, there is no difference and the fact is that it was indeed pioneered by none other than Dr Verma. No need to emphasize that the discovery of 'Universal primer Technology of Dr Verma (later renamed as DNA barcoding' by
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Can I upload on wiki an original document (original DNA testing report from a US based company) which employed the technology of Verma (as cited in the report itself under the methodology section) and which later became a major breakthrough in entire USA to fight food frauds (See links here -
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Thanks for the guidance. Though, I never wanted to say that 140 citations are a great number of citations! Sorry, if it appeared as so. I just wanted to make a point that the number of citations could have been thousands or even more if proper credit was given to the discovery of Verma.
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Delete- most of information given is so general,almost all the university professors/Scientist of North America and developed countries across the globe have way better bio-data, however, only a few are on Knowledge (XXG), I can't comprehend the reason of this article to be published
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in the year 2003 (two years later than the work of Dr Verma). Facts are facts and the links given here are clear proof of this. No offense! If any respected reader of wiki has knowledge and understanding of molecular biology, please go through the
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5.00. Person can't be considered living legend to be published on wikipedia with such a CV. .The work he is doing is just his job, type of employment, nothing extraordinary. In India, Principal scientist have same pay scale as associate
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I appreciate though that you in principle agree that the science could have gone wrong in this case, and there is a scope for correction and that if I provide you with such authentic links, these can be reported in Wiki!
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after 100 years and proposed that the original name 'Porcula salvania' for the Pygmy hog should be resurrected! This was accepted by world-wide community and the Scientific Name of Pygmy Hog is now
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Please explain how it is an 'opposite' case????? Please read the links to the facts first before commenting. Why the scientific community can not correct itself if something has gone wrong???
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With this fact, Dr Verma indeed should be recognized as the father of so called 'DNA barcoding' and this fact should be mentioned on his wikipedia page as well as on
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The term 'Molecular Signature' given by Dr Verma in 2001 for the species-specific signatures of DNA generated by mitochondrial Universal Primers (
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For example when you mention that his works have been cited 140 times. You may think that supports keeping the article, but, in fact, it is
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5. Dr Verma has published only 15 papers, this is true, but some of these papers are extremely novel paper. In one of his research (see
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The above walls of text defending the notability of this person actually constitute quite an articulate case for the opposite. --
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2. The awards that Dr S K Verma has been conferred are the National Awards of India given by highest Scientific Bodies such as
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delete-the person is not notable, citation given do not authenticate this person to be considered for publication on wikipedia
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citation which are supporting the information given for this person, for example citation no. 6 directs to his personal page;
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been suppressed knowing or Unknowingly. Lets be scientific and please read the documented proofs before making a comment.
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to show here that this is the case. Sad as it is, if science hasn't corrected itself, we cannot do so either. --
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I have struck your "delete". You are the deletion nominator and you are not permitted to !vote twice.
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how about the other 8 people of DAAD, none of them is on wikipedia, others even have better bio-data.
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the father of this technology. Wiki is not for east or west, it is just for the facts!! Good luck.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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3. Someone notable not being on wiki can not be a criteria for deleting article for others.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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1. How Many People are Research Ambassador of DAAD? Only 9 in Entire India. See this link:
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others) was a discovery not less than the original discovery of DNA Fingerprinting by Sir
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If he is such a big name scientist why is not being considered even in his work place?
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S K Verma CAN NOT GET THE credit of Dr Paul Herbert' work. His name is no where in
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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that clearly states this and then and only then can you use that on WP. --
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that Dr Verma discovered in 2001 (Please see the filing date of US patent
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criteria. Citation counts are too low for #C1 and what else is there? —
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for the work (Please see total citations for first three papers on
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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I will get you the links which will clarify more on this truth.
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I'm afraid that won't work, because such a document would be a
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only 4 people (from this institute) got the prestigious CSIR
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very little published work,just 15 papers, here is the link
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list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions
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and many other links that are available on google search.
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This nomination was malformed and was not properly listed
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You need to have an 731:National Research Development Corporation (NRDC) 659:http://www.ccmb.res.in/publications.php?grpid=34 425:who published this technology with a new name 416:) is being used in entire world with the name 347:of 8 nowhere enough for a highly cited field. 735:Council of Scientific and Industrial Research 402:Centre for DNA Fingerprinting and Diagnostics 386:Council of Scientific and Industrial Research 8: 375:http://www.daaddelhi.org/en/23633/index.html 319:Note: This debate has been included in the 301:list of Science-related deletion discussions 299:Note: This debate has been included in the 279:Note: This debate has been included in the 726:AND NOT the personal website of S K Verma. 525:for lack of evidence of passing any of the 669:http://www.ccmb.res.in/research_groups.php 318: 298: 281:list of India-related deletion discussions 278: 388:technology Award. I name all of them: Dr 382:Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology 444:Dr Verma named the this technology as ' 771:), Dr Verma and team rediscovered the 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 942:. As I tried to explain above, you 380:2. In the 40 yrs of the History of 24: 714:Reply to Inder Neal's Comments: 467:by this Canadian group in 2003. 410:The Universal primer Technology 722:is very well directing to the 1: 369:. My reasons are as follows: 760:Universal Primer Technology 446:Universal primer Technology 377:. Dr Verma is one of them. 1001: 785:see New NCBI taxonomy here 607:http://sunil.verma.org.in/ 501:17:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC) 357:05:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC) 333:05:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC) 313:05:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC) 293:05:03, 31 March 2014 (UTC) 270:23:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC) 229:17:36, 22 March 2014 (UTC) 202:http://sunil.verma.org.in/ 963:15:33, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 890:14:31, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 860:13:36, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 839:13:11, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 805:11:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC) 701:16:09, 2 April 2014 (UTC) 651:08:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC) 630:05:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC) 574:06:12, 1 April 2014 (UTC) 539:05:55, 1 April 2014 (UTC) 432:original work of Dr Verma 392:, now Vice Chancellor of 62:09:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC) 973:Please do not modify it. 724:official website of DAAD 394:Banaras Hindu University 32:Please do not modify it. 758:in 2001 with the name ' 752:patents on USPTO sites 544:Reply to above Comment 463:) was just renamed as 400:, now the Director of 398:Jayaraman Gowrishankar 819:few or no other edits 673:This all is against 588:few or no other edits 515:few or no other edits 821:outside this topic. 590:outside this topic. 548:approx 140 citations 517:outside this topic. 927:Please let me know. 743:4. 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