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746:, the more reliable and respectable the site appears, the more confident I feel. As this game does not appear to be covered or mentioned in the major game listing sites, and has no reviews in more orthodox publications, then I have little confidence in its notability. As the sites that are used in this article mix open blogging with some editorial control does not help matters. As there is such doubt, I am neither supporting nor opposing - merely making an observation that the sources raise questions, and I would prefer more significant evidence of notability. I hope that helps. 48:. Siliconera is clearly reliable, and as Imgaril points out, it is standard practice to have a legal disclaimer. The situation on the blogs is less clear, but it should be noted that blogs are not inherently unreliable. Overall there is sufficient coverage to establish notability. Regarding the copyright issues, editors may later decide to remove possibly infringing portions, but that does not affect the notability of the subject. 837:- As always, the ARS folk just tally up whatever's out there without actually evaluating if the sources are reliable or not. Blogs do not establish notability. One Kotaku entry does not meet the notability threshold. One also has to consider that the game itself is an obvious copyright infringement, and we do have policies that address linking to such information. 720:) - there are no rules or guidelines that penalise a blog format as a reliable source. Kotaku is a professional game site which can be displayed in blog format, it is not self published. You can say it inherits design and style decisions from blogs. You see that the site has a full staff complement here 860:
do to copyright violations, but as someone pointed out that's all fan made art work. Also the game isn't really like any Mario Brothers, other than some similarities which you find in other platform games as well. If Nintendo had a problem with it, they'd sue, as they always do for such things. If
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I believe Siliconera's attempt to protect itself from lawsuits does not make it unreliable. Work by a staff writer on a site with editors and the like is also likely reliable. The "ish" part is that I'm really unclear on the copyright issue here. I'd think the product has to be infringing. I
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all make essentially identical disclaimers that they make no guarantee of accuracy of information. It's a standard disclaimer. I see no reason why Siliconera should not be taken as a reliable source just as IGN, Gamespot etc are.
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See comment above. If you have a problem with the content of the article, please bring it up on the talk page. Also, to Dream Focus, all the colors in your signatures makes it hard to know where your comment ends.
577:. I see that there is evidence that this game exists, though am not reassured by the quality of the coverage that the game has achieved enough notability to require an entry in Knowledge (XXG). It is not listed at 189: 737:
Clarification. My comment above is that we use blogs with care. The wording is: "open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources." When looking for
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don't think being a (potential) copyright violation should stop us from covering an otherwise notable topic, but I honestly don't know if any policy or guideline adresses the issue.
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It is notable because it has received significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources. Both Kotaku and Siliconera are used in featured articles here on Knowledge (XXG):
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the issue "wp does not allow blogs" is a common error - wikipedia does not allow self-published sources as reliable - such sources are commonly presented as blogs. (
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is a reliable site, and the article is written by a guy whose name is listed at the bottom section under "MakeUseOf Staff Authors". And I originally said delete
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they didn't copyright yellow boxes with a question mark on them, or other aspects used there as registered trademarks, then nothing illegal has been done.
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Claiming that a legal disclaimer is equivalent to a statement of unreliability is complete nonsense and should be ignored. All sites do this
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I don't consider allgame or gamerankings important indicators of notability, and only allgame can be used to support notability anyways. --
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The author of the Kotaku piece is John Brownlee - a well known video game blogger. That is an interesting piece of information.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Kotaku is used in over 1,600 articles on Knowledge (XXG) including many featured articles such as
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As ever, DreamFocus makes a convincing case. Good finds with the sources Teancum and Odie5533!
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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as unreliable. Makeuseof and Kotaku are blog sites, and we use such sites with care -
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
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About.com lets anyone load things up I believe, so that doesn't count.
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Assume good faith and stop attacking the ARS constantly please.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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seems notable as well. Good work Odie5533, you saved the day.
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is used in 453 articles. Seems like a reliable source.
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No further edits should be made to this page. 360:list of video game-related deletion discussions 8: 358:Note: This debate has been included in the 268:Note: This debate has been included in the 250:- A completely non-notable freeware game. -- 220:This article has only two sources and fails 270:list of Games-related deletion discussions 267: 388: 324:They're all download links and fan art. 83: 86:Articles for deletion/Super Mario War 18:Knowledge (XXG):Articles for deletion 7: 609:Siliconera was defended in FAC for 81: 394: 24: 382: 954:12:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 922:03:45, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 900:10:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 885:21:11, 23 September 2011 (UTC) 847:19:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC) 826:11:21, 23 September 2011 (UTC) 776:15:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC) 759:15:12, 26 September 2011 (UTC) 733:12:07, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 703:10:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC) 598:11:10, 23 September 2011 (UTC) 558:19:41, 22 September 2011 (UTC) 528:16:45, 16 September 2011 (UTC) 511:10:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) 488:05:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC) 449:04:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC) 412:00:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC) 349:01:58, 15 September 2011 (UTC) 320:06:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC) 285:05:02, 14 September 2011 (UTC) 261:02:48, 14 September 2011 (UTC) 242:02:01, 14 September 2011 (UTC) 69:18:33, 26 September 2011 (UTC) 1: 376: 435:, and an review/analysis at 370: 613:and has been referenced by 497:- There's also coverage at 364: 988: 427:I found a long review at 964:Please do not modify it. 722:http://kotaku.com/about/ 611:Final Fantasy XIII, 2011 32:Please do not modify it. 686:Shadow of the Colossus 80:AfDs for this article: 742:as opposed to simply 670:Portal (video game) 295:per Nintendude64. 44:The result was 828: 560: 414: 346: 317: 287: 273: 239: 979: 966: 881: 878: 875: 872: 869: 866: 822: 817: 812: 804: 800: 768: 751: 710:Reply to comment 590: 553: 546: 542: 484: 481: 478: 475: 472: 469: 401: 400: 399: 392: 386: 380: 374: 368: 357: 345: 340: 337: 316: 311: 308: 274: 255: 229: 215: 214: 200: 148: 130: 65: 60: 55: 34: 987: 986: 982: 981: 980: 978: 977: 976: 975: 969:deletion review 962: 879: 876: 873: 870: 867: 864: 820: 815: 810: 793: 766: 749: 716:is redirect to 588: 549: 535: 482: 479: 476: 473: 470: 467: 395: 363: 341: 334: 330: 326: 312: 305: 301: 297: 253: 157: 121: 107:Super Mario War 105: 102: 100: 78: 75:Super Mario War 63: 58: 53: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 985: 983: 974: 973: 958: 957: 956: 931:Re: Siliconera 925: 924: 905: 904: 903: 902: 850: 849: 831: 830: 829: 802: 801: 790: 789: 788: 787: 786: 785: 784: 783: 782: 781: 780: 779: 778: 691: 690: 689: 666: 601: 600: 563: 562: 561: 551:Alpha Quadrant 544: 543: 532: 531: 530: 513: 492: 491: 490: 416: 415: 354: 353: 352: 351: 332: 328: 303: 299: 289: 288: 264: 263: 218: 217: 154: 101: 99: 98: 93: 88: 82: 79: 77: 72: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 984: 972: 970: 965: 959: 955: 951: 947: 942: 941:Game Informer 939: 936: 932: 929: 928: 927: 926: 923: 919: 915: 910: 907: 906: 901: 897: 893: 888: 887: 886: 883: 882: 859: 856: 852: 851: 848: 844: 840: 836: 833: 832: 827: 823: 818: 813: 808: 803: 799: 797: 792: 791: 777: 774: 773: 770: 769: 762: 761: 760: 757: 756: 753: 752: 745: 744:verifiability 741: 736: 735: 734: 730: 726: 723: 719: 715: 711: 708: 707: 706: 705: 704: 700: 696: 692: 687: 683: 679: 675: 671: 667: 664: 660: 656: 652: 648: 644: 640: 636: 632: 628: 624: 620: 616: 612: 608: 607: 605: 604: 603: 602: 599: 596: 595: 592: 591: 584: 580: 576: 572: 571:self declares 569:. 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