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837:- As always, the ARS folk just tally up whatever's out there without actually evaluating if the sources are reliable or not. Blogs do not establish notability. One Kotaku entry does not meet the notability threshold. One also has to consider that the game itself is an obvious copyright infringement, and we do have policies that address linking to such information.
720:) - there are no rules or guidelines that penalise a blog format as a reliable source. Kotaku is a professional game site which can be displayed in blog format, it is not self published. You can say it inherits design and style decisions from blogs. You see that the site has a full staff complement here
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