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include the Pope of the Coptic
Orthodox Church, as one of the editors above claims, but also the Pope of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria. The other two (the Latin Patriarch who does not even exist anymore), and the Patriarch of the Coptic Catholic Church, do not carry the title "Pope" because they follow the church of Rome. Both of these did not even exist 200 years ago, while both the Pope of the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Pope of the Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria continued to exist since the time of Saint Mark in the 1st century, and continued to carry the title "Pope of Alexandria" since the time of Pope Heraclas, 13th Pope of Alexandria, in the 3rd/4th century, long before the title "Pope of Rome" existed. That's why the title "Pope of Alexandria" is much more correct than the title "Patriarch of Alexandria". --
493:- Acknowledging that there is some validity to the title "Pope of Alexandria", there seems to be very little content relevant to it that does not also relate to the "Patriarch of Alexandria" article, which seriously weakens the apparent need for the article. The relevant information about the use of this title could easily be fit into that article, with the redirect reestablished.
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The above info is totally erroneous. The first person to carry the title of Pope was the 13th Pope of
Alexandria, hundreds of years before the Bishop of Rome assumed that title as well. And since that time, the head of the Seat of Alexandria has been called "Pope of Alexandria". This does not only
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Catholics in Egypt follow the Church of Rome and thus only use the term "Patriarch of Alexandria" is irrelevant in this case because the article is about the term
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Patriarch of Alexandria. Your request is like saying that the article "Pope of Rome" should become "Bishop of Rome" or "Patriarch of Rome"!!! The head of the Sea of Alexandria is known as
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put him on a higher ecclesiastical/hierarchical level than the other
Patriarchs of the Pentarchy." Also note that one of the editors recently deleted the original article without discussion.
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