448:," writes the nominator for deletion but the point that tries to make is false for it overlooks the crucial fact: How many of these thousands find themselves to be US diplomats, official officers of the US embassy indicted on such serious charges? Who he was when he perpetrated this crime, as a respresentative of the State, makes him notable as is evidenced by the fact that this has been an international story. Of course, the US press, as is typical, will downplay it, but that is to be expected with the kind of media we have in the US. In anycase, this is not ordinary, its newsworthy, has been picked up by the press, and is an on-going event.
173:. I was floored by this story and have never heard of a State Department diplomat being indicted for threatening minorities with racist language. This story is global and goes far beyond "the AP and some left-wing blogs". However, I would agree that the subject himself is not of biographical interest, and would concur moving to
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