661:- Because I looked up the group on sites such as ED, as well as their forums, this group isn't only a SL griefer group. They have links to well known Wiki vandals. A similarity could be drawn between Hezbollah and Al'Qaida. Both are terror groups, but have different targets that sometimes come into sync. Not to mention that WP:DENY has been used to apply to non-Knowledge trolls in the past, but to any troll.
1027:- I can't believe the kinds of stupid crap that is considered notable these days. A group of Second Life griefer bullies? People whose only goal in life is to screw up an online video game? That said IDONTLIKEIT isn't a reason to delete and the multiple reliable sources provided satisfies the notability policy... sadly.
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sourced are not substantially about this group, just about the phenomenon of people getting their kicks by disrupting gameplay, with one or two namechecks as examples of a griefer group. A redirect might be appropriate, but this group appears to me to fail any independent measure of notability by a fair margin.
551:? I don't like it either, but this is a group that has been interviewed and has had articles specifically published about them - I would love to find a policy indicating the article should be blown away, but there simply isn't one. Your rational for deletion isn't exactly helping point me to one, either.
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Internet trolls, an offshoot of the GNAA and 4chan. They exist strictly to troll SL and other venues, in addition to a passing notability outside of SL. This article seems to serve primarily to glorify them. It's been speedily deleted twice already, this version looks as if it's sourced but the
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719:- I assume you are saying that because they have an article on Encyclopedia Dramatica and the vandals you mentioned have an article on the same site, that they are somehow involved with each other. I don't see the connection but if you have one, please contribute it to the discussion. --
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