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211:- the article has been rated 'Start' by, and is supported by the WikiProject Religion, and has had a fair number of editors over several years. It seems to me that having been rated above stub as part of the WikiProject members, we should consult why people with an interest in the project felt 'The article has a meaningful amount of good content.' 292:
with pandeism and remove non-attributable information. Ask a philosopher or theologion whether they have heard of the term or believe it to be semantically meaningless. Since the term "panendeism" is etymologically related to pandeism as "panentheism" is etymologically related to pantheism, it makes
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demonstrate anything in particular. And a rating as "start" merely indicates that it has (in one person's eyes) grown past the point where it can be considered a stub. I've dropped a notification at the project talk page, so project members can comment if they wish, but Wikiproject opinions don't
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on the basis of the information in the article, it was made up one day by a single person "The term panendeism was purportedly coined in late 2000 by Larry Copling in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, " and it seems other people using similar terms may or may not mean the same thing. From other postings,
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result in the deletion of the article. It was kept for further research to be done (which then revealed that the oldest references were hard to turn up because they were in German). I do note that panendeism term gets zero Google Books hits, in any language. Perhaps
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I've invited the user who added the banner to join the discussion here. It's true that the article has had 54 edits and a little more than a dozen non-anonymous editors. However, I think it's interesting to see how little the article has changed from its
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no sense to posit that the philosophy does not exist. It is a metaphysical or theological stance, not a religion, so it does not have a "congregation" or organized group of believers per se. It can be covered in the section on
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The problem is that when you remove all of the non-attributable information, nothing is left. Without sources, the article doesn't belong on Knowledge, and the sentence you proposed violates the guideline
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There are no real sources here -- getting a local paper to mention a word you've coined is not the sort of source on which to build an encyclopedia entry about a supposedly-notable belief system.
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Also note: anyone can add a project banner to an article, and anyone can rate an article. So the fact that it has a project banner and start rating doesn't
190:, but the "local paper" mention in the article was five years before the word was supposedly coined (ergo, Copling is wrong about having coined the word). 440: 355: 200: 70: 345:
for support (at least the latter explicitly says "Panendeism is a sub-category of Deism", and compares it to panentheism). Cheers!
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section), but I don't think they've moved it out of original research territory. Anyway, thanks for the comment. =) —
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
337:(or deism) saying that Larry Copling has proposed panendeism as a deistic variety of panentheism and cite to 370:
An old WP mirror has an interesting prior discussion leading to an earlier deletion of this article in
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sounds like it might be worth a brief mention as a possible variant at either or both of the articles
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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actually trump a more general consensus (although they can often offer more expert advice).
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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by a single sentence: "It has been suggested that the term
146:, and without such sources this article is unencyopedic. — 142:. Self-published sites and a letter to the editor are not 230: 226: 222: 121: 117: 113: 374:. I am not sure how it fits into the edit history. 385:The VFD you mentioned is interesting, but it's for 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 514:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 301:can be applied to a variant of pandeism as 278:there is not yet an actual congregation. 471:(actually protologism), almost entirely 389:(a considerably better article), not 7: 229:(until the VFD tag was added): see 339:http://panendeism.org/default.aspx 317:. "Has been suggested" by whom? — 24: 18:Knowledge:Articles for deletion 333:Well, you could put a line in 1: 75:13:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC) 531: 497:21:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC) 460:11:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 445:02:11, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 409:00:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 381:00:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 360:04:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC) 343:http://www.panendeism.com/ 329:19:23, 11 April 2007 (UTC) 285:00:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 268:02:05, 11 April 2007 (UTC) 249:00:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC) 216:23:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 205:21:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 183:18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 171:13:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 158:06:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC) 507:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 413:Also, that VFD did 138:This appears to be 235:Origin of the term 473:original research 407: 327: 247: 156: 140:original research 522: 509: 438: 401: 353: 321: 305:is a variant of 241: 198: 150: 144:reliable sources 129: 111: 68: 34: 530: 529: 525: 524: 523: 521: 520: 519: 518: 512:deletion review 505: 495: 432: 347: 266: 192: 102: 86: 83: 62: 44:The result was 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 528: 526: 517: 516: 500: 499: 491: 462: 450: 449: 448: 447: 446: 365: 364: 363: 362: 361: 287: 272: 271: 270: 262: 251: 231:the difference 206: 185: 173: 136: 135: 82: 77: 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 527: 515: 513: 508: 502: 501: 498: 494: 490: 486: 482: 478: 474: 470: 466: 463: 461: 458: 454: 451: 444: 443: 439: 437: 436: 429: 425: 421: 416: 412: 411: 410: 405: 400: 396: 394: 388: 384: 383: 382: 379: 378: 373: 369: 366: 359: 358: 354: 352: 351: 344: 340: 336: 332: 331: 330: 325: 320: 316: 311: 310: 308: 304: 300: 296: 291: 288: 286: 283: 282: 276: 273: 269: 265: 261: 256: 252: 250: 245: 240: 236: 232: 228: 224: 223:first version 219: 218: 217: 214: 210: 207: 204: 203: 199: 197: 196: 189: 186: 184: 181: 177: 174: 172: 169: 165: 162: 161: 160: 159: 154: 149: 145: 141: 133: 127: 123: 119: 115: 110: 106: 101: 97: 93: 89: 85: 84: 81: 78: 76: 74: 73: 69: 67: 66: 59: 55: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 506: 503: 476: 464: 457:Keesiewonder 452: 441: 434: 433: 419: 414: 392: 375: 367: 356: 349: 348: 298: 289: 279: 274: 254: 234: 208: 201: 194: 193: 187: 175: 163: 137: 71: 64: 63: 45: 43: 31: 28: 485:panentheism 467:, apparent 428:panentheism 335:panentheism 303:panentheism 54:Panentheism 430:? Cheers! 299:panendeism 166:per nom. 88:Panendeism 80:Panendeism 469:neologism 315:WP:WEASEL 307:pantheism 209:weak keep 481:pandeism 387:Pandeism 295:Pandeism 213:Thespian 132:View log 58:Pandeism 399:Elembis 368:Comment 319:Elembis 239:Elembis 225:to its 188:No vote 168:Anville 148:Elembis 105:protect 100:history 477:itself 465:Delete 453:Delete 435:bd2412 350:bd2412 275:Delete 255:really 195:bd2412 176:Delete 164:Delete 109:delete 65:bd2412 56:, and 46:Delete 489:Xtifr 424:deism 422:into 420:merge 395:deism 290:Merge 260:Xtifr 180:Xoloz 126:views 118:watch 114:links 50:Deism 16:< 493:tälk 483:and 404:talk 372:2005 324:talk 264:tälk 244:talk 227:last 153:talk 122:logs 96:talk 92:edit 426:or 415:not 391:Pan 377:DGG 341:or 281:DGG 130:– ( 60:). 393:en 124:| 120:| 116:| 112:| 107:| 103:| 98:| 94:| 52:, 442:T 406:) 402:( 357:T 326:) 322:( 246:) 242:( 202:T 155:) 151:( 134:) 128:) 90:( 72:T

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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
deletion review
Deism
Panentheism
Pandeism
bd2412
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Panendeism
Panendeism
edit
talk
history
protect
delete
links
watch
logs
views
View log
original research
reliable sources
Elembis
talk
06:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Anville
13:38, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Xoloz
18:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
bd2412
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