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are added to the list every year. If there were no overlap from year to year, that would add another 6,000 school articles per year, and after 20 years, we'd have an article on all 123,385 schools! I'm sure there is a large degree of overlap, but you get the picture. I think Blue Ribbon status is a factor to be considered, but I don't think it should be sufficient to qualify an otherwise nonnotable school for inclusion here.
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I nominated this before I saw that it had been recently AfD'd. Yes, I know I should have checked the history first, but I didn't. I decided to go ahead and see how the 2nd nom was done, so here it is. Feel free to lash me! I still think this is a non-notable middle school, perhaps not as non-notable
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This does not include articles about schools that never got a Blue Ribbon but are notable for other reasons. 5% doesn't make sense in other areas either. (For instance, it would give us articles about 325,000,000 people!) Including every Blue Ribbon school gives us another problem: More schools
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Only notable thing mentioned is that it is a "Blue Ribbon School," of which there are about six thousand (or nearly one school in twenty). (And the link that is supposed to support its being one is, in fact, a link back to the article itself; the writer couldn't even be bothered to provide
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Ah! You get the Blue Ribbon for seeing the difference between what I thought you meant and what you actually wrote! Yes, I thought you were saying 5% per year. Yes, that was my error. I apologize for casting aspersions about your statistics. Thank you for being patient with me.
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I prefer to look at it as precedent. I agree that establishing notability for a middle school like this one is reasonably difficult. But for high schools, the overwhelming majority have multiple non-trivial from reliable and verifiable sources to demonstrate notability.
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