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article must be deleted; conversely, meeting any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept.” Accordingly, I do not think arguments about how trivial a couple sources are should be enough for deletion, especially when there are this many sources that arguably establish notability in both Number 1 and 4 of the guidelines. Therefore, I vote to keep due to the fact that at least 3 of the sources are non-trivial and reliable enough to establish notability.
832:, it's not difficult to document "this robust aural form" if the DJ in question has recordings with notable labels (Indie or otherwise), has documented charted singles, has won awards, etc. etc. Do you have any evidence of this? Re the appalling articles you've listed as a reason for this one to be kept, they should be put up at AfD too. You really need to read
654:, simply asserting that "Shalvoy is a heavy in the DJ world" is not a valid argument. And, yes, I am fully aware that modern DJs are considered artists in their own right. However, there is no evidence that this particular artist is notable. Can you please list here the two sources apart from the Fox spot which you consider to be non-trivial and reliable?
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struggling with is generation. “DJs” are no longer the guides with the mirror balls in a disco; they became artists in their own right for Gen X and Gen Y. These ratings are showing older, Baby Boom prejudices. Glad to see conflict of interest is properly not an issue in this article. But why is the allegation not struck in
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