1980:. This page tells me that he is still alive. So: his ALS disease is lesser aggressive developing as Per Villand's ALS. I notice that Becker has a more spectacular profession, concerning popularity, populism, etc.: he is a heavy metal composer. There are computer programs to compose. I know this because my own son is a composer. One can compose on a chair. There are no computer programs to create patents about research in molecular biology: a molecular biologist "composes" his compositions in a lab. The popularity of a micro biologist is, I am sure, almost zero, because there are no fans, only doctors are their fans, and they are too busy to be in the media, on YouTube, Instagram, Twitter. It seems that Per Villand's page unfortunately has been checked and judged by Knowledge users that have not any, at least not enough, affinity with biology, neither with ALS, not any, or hardly any insight in the disease, in being disabled, and in what is ethical within this concept, what belongs to awareness and showing respect. Also from out of the point of view that disabled people are already discriminated, and yes, here in Knowledge as well. Except by user Taterian. Especially user Geschichte is respectless, as I wrote, he even uses the term subject when it is about a human being. User Capital Sasha has proved to be not so exact as is so highly needed here. But she is consequent in rejecting the notability of Per Villand, without being informed about the heaviness of a the disease, that obviously seems to be different from the one patient and the other. Discrimination does not belong in Knowledge, and therefore one must judge with an eye for differences, and value. Values are not exact, these are related with the present or not present awareness of the one who judges, and therefore Knowledge users who judge can (while being wrong, not enough developed in awareness) contribute to wrong decisions about pages. This is a serious mistake in the system Knowledge uses for users to be able to judge about notability. Users who have the possibility to judge and delete pages should have an awareness check before they get the permission. Awareness goes far beyond rational intelligence. Even professors can have a total absence of awareness. And here in wikipedia one can add everything on the profile with only a nickname, a user name, and not any proof about what is written there about their education. Also this is utterly dangerous for the development of Knowledge. Yes, I have my full name there, and websites. It should be like in Airb&b: a passport check, that the account is verified.
382:, I have seen wikipedia pages with lesser content than I have created, and with not any link or reference. Pity that I did not bookmark these. How spectacular someone has to be? That there is a book, written by him, is spectacular, because he wrote it with his eye movements, he was for 99% lame, disabled, could not use his hands and fingers. I am not speaking nor writing in Norwegian yet, I live in Norway, yes, and learning the language slowly with my 68 years old memory. You should know Norway better, then you would not direct me to a library for this. The Norwegians in the area where I live (far away from cities and other villages, it is more a hamlet, have hardly any proud, do not talk too much, are in fact always silent. History made them so. It belongs to the Norwegian character. So, to shout around about people, who they were, are, etc. is utterly rare. That is not Norwegian style. The land has been occupied by Denmark, Sweden, and has hardly one hundred years independence. The psychology of the Norwegians is not understood when one never has lived in an occupied country, overruled by another country, and not any law was offering rights. Within this hierarchy is another hierarchy: the people of Hovet belong to a lesser place in the hierarchical pyramid. Created by oppressors in neighbour villages. Not because they ARE lesser, but they were and are the most easy to suppress. The most humble.
1678:. WHAT is the notability of that? Being an invisible little politician somewhere? What is his contribution to the world? He is an unknown Norwegian politician. What is interesting about this one for the world? I would like to know you answer. About the page with ALS patients: I know that this exists, I have already added Per Villand there a week ago. What you said yesterday: "Don't give up!"...: I gave up already, I have lost my appetite, the energy, the heart, the spirit, because it is insane how huge the constant attacks and in my opinion unfair argumentations are. I am working now anyway with it. I am searching for the name of the instrument, connected with Per Villand's head, that he used to handle the keyboard of the computer, to write with this tool, not with his hands: these were paralysed, not with his toes, these were paralysed, Per Villand was for 99% paralysed, lame.
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consider plenty of information (a subjective assessment, but there we are). I don't know whether your comment regarding "a team without a face" is a reference to the lack of anyone's real names being on their pages, but users don't tend to list those unless they wish to - I don't have my real name anywhere on my page either, and never have done. Leaving aside the fact that there's nothing to be gained by "repeat question" within an hour of asking it (I'm in
Australia and was eating dinner at the time you asked, hence my ability to respond reasonably rapidly - catch me overnight my time and you'll obviously have to wait longer), I think you may have the process slightly around the wrong way. The object of the exercise is to have the sources
476:: What exactly makes this man so valuable that he deserves a Knowledge page, and Per Villand not? I guess that Per Villand deserves MORE a place in Knowledge than this Asle Amundsen. there are pages that you started with people that are not of a higher value as Per Villand. You wrote even about a footballer. What makes football of such a high standard that footballers, even without any glory, are accepted in Knowledge, and not a man who has proved to be able to fight against something more heavy than a football team in a competition? Per Villand had his own competition. He is a champion. Though he lost. But he was fighting against a deadly disease, that is something else. No,
1257:(University of Tromsø) is not working, and therefore Terje Johansen of the UiT forwards my email for Professor Terje Traavik to him. Terje Traavik was Per Villand's supervisor. Professor Odd-Arne Olsen of the NMBU university has not answered my emails yet, and Terje Johansen is therefore also contacting him about Per Villand, and for third party sources. Waiting for an answer from the Michigan State University, USA. Per Villand worked there and it seems that all the official third party links are not accepted as okay. So: I work very intensively at it.
1936:, or Lou Gehrig's disease, and to uphold the humanitarian and ethical mission of Knowledge as a community-generated compendium of knowledge. Since the person in question represents a vulnerable population of people with disabilities, the criterion of notability cannot be applied in the same way as with regular populations. This case presents a notable example of coping with an incurable disease and aiding medical professionals to better understand it. Furhtemore, the person's scientific accomplishments as a molecular biologist, including publications (
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now seen with other eyes, eyes with a deepened awareness, and therefore lots of so-called common people, without notability, are seen now as not so common at all, and had in fact more notability than was seen in that time. While a lot of so-called notables, those who were/are accepted for their notability, were not notables at all, and if, below the zero level of notability. Discrimination because of wrong values born out of narrow minded indoctrinating media and other power-systems, is very difficult to dismantle.
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the wrong outcome being implemented, which is to nobody's advantage. You'll notice that the reformatting hasn't removed a single letter of what you or anyone else wrote, so everything you contributed to the discussion is still there. Nobody is making any "threats", either. The discussion is about the merits of this particular article (not
Villand himself, who I'm sure was a perfectly lovely gentleman) versus the policies which exist governing articles here. It may be of use to read
299:, also my project, and yes, Per Villand belongs to this village in Norway. It is important that a link to another Knowledge page is there, in "Notable residents", to redirect visitors of this Hovet, Buskerud page to Per Villand. To add it on that page as a chapter is not right, because it would take away the attention from the main subject. Today I continue with finding the title of the book Per Villand wrote, the ISBN number, and continue with searching for more references.
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UiT. I can upload this file in
Wikimedia Commons and refer to it from the article-page. I wait for the agreement of the university. Obviously there is no other way to make it more official, since I had added already a link, a reference, but this was not accepted by user Geschichte. The same procedure has started about Per Villand's Dr. Scientiarum degree. We do not have more possibilities left to prove this. Did not get an email from MSU in USA.
226:, today I have contacted all universities that are named in the page. Already yesterday I found a newspaper article about the disease ALS and Per Villand, searched for external links, found Scholar links, got an email from Terje Johansen, who works at Tromsø university, and who studied together with Per Villand, worked as a coauthor at a paper to get the Cand.Scient degree, and I have added the link as a reference in "Studies".
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area named Grøt. Before his name was
Neeraal, because he was born in Hol, in the street Neeraal. And he was named Nerol, because this is the name as people say it (etymology) So: MyHeritage is a library of history. Some people make a mess out of it. Not all of them. the same with Knowledge: not all pages are really brilliant. Some are even poor, but there anyway. Even pages that you created, dear Geschichte.
295:, I removed a sentence about the newspaper in the former message after I have read again the rules: all newspapers seem to be considered as not independent, and therefore not the right source. Today I discussed all around this Per Villand page with others and we concluded that it would be at least a better idea to make it a subpage (redirecting possibility, instead of deleting, or merging) of
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even a disease like this. The most difficult moments were when he became angry, he told, because indeed, when you are for 99% lame, emotions are still there, and anger creates a hell when you have not any expression form to get rid of it. But he managed it. He is, though a humble man, a human being with high standards, and deserves a place among other
Knowledge people. When even a page about
1682:, and I am finding out how that worked, and when I know I will name that instrument exactly and explain it. Note: with this instrument he created even a book (does not matter if it isn't interesting for the modern world that is coming to it's end, as the Hopi Prophecy is foretelling and what we are witnessing more and more because of the climate change and the decadence everywhere),
1694:. Question: would that page be notable for a Norwegian version of wikipedia, the Bokmål version? If so: again, why this Asle Amundsen got an English version? WHAT is his meaning for the world, the English language world of Knowledge? Wasn't it enough that this page was there in Bokmål? This is utterly bitter to notice................... (end quoting) .........
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subject 6) cell.com, published by the subject. You don't really need to find the book written by him, it's published by the subject so not suitable as a reference to
Villand. Albeit probably brave and commendable, Per Villand has not been demonstrated to have coverage in the necessary amount of independent sources. But you can try www.lokalhistoriewiki.no.
604:, it is not local history, it is the history of Hol Kommune, that is not local, but "kommunal". And even IF it was local, what is wrong with local information? Is local news in Norway (you are Norwegian) lesser important than the news from NRK or Aftenbladet, or more of these, Bergen, Oslo, etc? How outdated this view is. And how arrogant. This is
415:, a Dutch newspaper with excellent research about subjects, that Knowledge has rules concerning editing. It is not allowed that companies hire people to edit a wikipedia page, to make their name more shining. But these editors are there, they do a payed job, and nobody can do anything about it. This is the power of money. Title of the article: "
1369:. When there, on that page, one can see the name Per Villand, and a number 1 next to the name, and: "Author information". Click on it. then opens a small screen with the text: Department of Plant Physiology, Umeâ University, 901 87 Umeâ, Sweden. Which proves that Per Villand worked there. Improved a reference (Carnegie Institution for Science).
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his party) that he was the deputy leader of a major political party in Norway, as well as simply being elected to
Stortinget. Generally speaking, there is a standard which says that elected representatives at a national level - to say nothing of leaders and deputy-leaders of national political parties - in any country are going to be notable.
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its own, not because of the studies, but because Per
Villand was and is beloved by all who have known him. He has inspired and impressed all. Because of his disease and how he handled this insane difficult disease, how he even cooperated with professors to find causes and maybe healing methods, is worth it to share with the world.
1055:"Third-party sources" are those independent of the subject of the article and/or their close associates. Unlike many terms used frequently on Knowledge, this one is used precisely as it is out in the "real world". If you've not done so as yet - and I don't mean to point the finger at you if you have - I'd recommend starting with
1122:, the article can be as long as a small Russian novel and still get deleted if the subject doesn't demonstrate notability. Conversely, it can be one simple sentence and demonstrate tonnes of notability. That's why comparison between "this article I want kept" and "that article which isn't too great" is never an exact science.
984:: Have you checked the external links? Really? Can you offer me a comparable page that IS accepted in Knowledge? WHAT could be third party sources here, how many do you want (because there are wikipedia pages with hardly any source, and just some lines), so that I can LEARN by studying WHAT is accepted by Knowledge? Thanks.
1141:: I like your information, and the tone in it, very much. I feel calmness in it, taking time to explain, and that avoids adrenaline in me to stress, to avoid deletion, to keep where I am working at. I would like to start discussing on your talk page about this, when you have found this comment and commented on it.
484:, but you did not mention the ISBN number. Nobody can check if this book really exists. Today I am going to check all pages you created, to compare them with the Per Villand page, and adding notes with questions, what exactly makes these pages more valuable than Per Villand's page. Like this for instance:
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that which has been used for any number of years, as the link from Shawn in
Montreal makes clear. Administrators (I'm one, although I won't be closing this discussion) rely on the format being followed to make the call on whether the article stays or goes. Discussions which vary from that format risk
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feel free to comment on my User Talk page with any questions you have. I'm more than happy to assist where I can. Just remember, though, that there is a time difference and my assistance may involve referring you onto other areas rather than giving you a definitive answer. I've been around here for a
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2) Rfdpro doesn't presently have a user page, which would be why you can't find it. Not every user has created one, and they're within their rights either way. The user page of
CapitalSasha loads fine for me when I click on that user's name in the signature on their comment, and contains what I would
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who has added the first warning. There is no profile. How can I be accused and judged by a team without a face? I repeat my question: what are third party sources? I am still editing the page, and wait for references. There are Knowledge pages with lesser content, and lesser references than I have. I
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The current references are: 1) Geni, not necessarily independent. 2) Solhjell, local history, brief mention 3) Hallingdølen, local newspaper 4) Villand, published by the subject 5) journal, can't access, but I'm guessing published by the subject 6) cell.com, published by the subject. You don't really
524:, that I am still working at completing this article about Per Villand. Still waiting for more emails from the University Umeå in Sweden and the University in Stanford, USA. Got some, with PDF's and a confirmation, but without a public link. Also waiting for the ISBN number for the history book about
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I have worked at all missing details and I sincerely hope, though I did not already get all missing factors, this is convincing Knowledge that the page of Per Villand should not be deleted, but kept. I do not believe this page should be a disambiguation page, redirected or merged. It has its value in
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I contacted today the university in Ås (Norges landbrukshøgskole/NMBU) for a similar link to prove the Dr. Scient degree or title. It was difficult for them to search because I did not know in which department of biology Per Villand was studying, so I sent some links and a Scholar list with his name.
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To think about for all: in how far in depth the popularity level, the being accepted in the society, even worldwide, as a star, a successful person, in sport, music, business, name it, who won gold or lots of money, time to be on TV and other media, or having a title that internationally is accepted
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In the past the notables (high notability level) in a country, city or village were those who achieved a lot within the values of that time. Common people were not notable because they were not high enough in that hierarchic power system, a power-pyramid. In the time we live in, a lot of the past is
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In this case, I write about an honorable person, who was born in a hamlet in Norway, and who got unfortunately a disease that killed him. If not, the man would have been able to continue his studies, and who knows how huge his name would have become. Again: he did something not even Shakespeare did:
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thank you! I did all you advised. About the licenses: I have asked, before uploading in Wikimedia Commons, all who have sent me papers, photos, for permission to upload according to the Knowledge licenses for sharing, etc. I got their permission. Question 1: please check the infobox scientist. I am
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As long the Asle Amundsen article (what a term for two sentences) exists, I am allowed to consider the deletion of the Per Villand article can be categorised as (though not intended) discrimination, because of unseen (the awareness does not see it) values and unseen high levels of notability. There
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The term notability is not exact, even Knowledge cannot name it exact, it is an "about", approximately, a vague term, it is a philosophical term, not able to become exact ever. On a university this would belong in the Gamma section, not Alpha as mathematics are. Mathematicians want everything to be
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I have got an email from Terje Johansen, UiT, with a PDF file, an official statement of the University, a confirmation that Per Villand has completed the degree Candidate Scientiarum on January 1, 1990, department medical biology. It is undersigned and has a stamp. There is the official logo of the
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I have contacted Sigmund Krøve-Velle from the Hallingdólen newspaper about the book, he mentions in his article. Waiting for his email back. I have called the library in Geilo about the book, and wrote an email after the telephone call, for exact information, and questions. As soon as possible I am
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5) As indicated above, the state of another article really doesn't have much bearing on whether this one should be deleted or kept. That said, Amundsen's page indicates (and, as far as I can read the Norwegian sources, cites a source confirming this - at least, he's second in the list of members of
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1) I can't speak for anyone else, but I've not said that your comments were relevant, irrelevant or otherwise. I've read them and digested them. There's a lot of them, and you'll find that concision is normally a virtue (do as I say, not as I do, here!), but I for one have read what you've written.
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Check this out. And: Geni and MyHeritage are excellent sources concerning old names, and the history of names, traditions in using names, as in Norway where even the region where one lived is added to the name. check the family tree of Pål Olson Grøt. His name was Grøt when he started living in the
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Asle Amundsen (born 27 June 1952) is a Norwegian politician for the Socialist Left Party. He served as a deputy representative to the Parliament of Norway from Nordland during the term 1985–1989. He met during 52 days of parliamentary session. The first deputy of Hanna Kvanmo, he worked as a farmer
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disease, a killing disease where more and more people die from. He did not get enough time from life. Life became unbearable. The machines were closed, after a well thought decision. Per Villand has proved to be a master mind, controlling his mind by his human spirit that made it able to exist with
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page because I have more to add there and the page will become too long. It is a village with much history, that is hardly to be found somewhere on the web. Knowledge-English is in fact too modern: the Norwegian wikipedia has, that is obvious for me, by experience, a much milder law system than the
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Maybe some people are on a holiday, universities have many departments, and since it was public, I felt the stress growing. Reading the warnings for deletion created fear, and even more stress. This could have been avoided if I would have known how to save a page into a draft, to work at it behind
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as a reason to keep this particular page, as it frequently means that nobody has seen the article in question and proposed it for deletion. If there's an article you're sufficiently concerned about, you're entirely within your rights to nominate it accordingly. If you're having difficulty with the
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could be used for several of your own pages, but they survived this and are there anyway. How is this possible? I did not check more pages, until now, I have to do some other work. I expect that you do not delete the page of Per Villand, but I do expect that you delete your note on the top of that
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The email has been sent. Got two PDF's with confirmations. 1) Candidatus Scientiarum / University of Tromsø 2) Doctor Scientiarum / Norwegian University of Life Sciences (NMBU), these are uploaded in Wikimedia Commons and used as a reference. These PDF's were sent by Terje Johansen, University of
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to react on "minuscule interest". The page is about a person who died because of the deadly disease ALS at the age of 44. He created indeed a poor website according to what one is used to when made by a totally healthy person. Per Villand created it with his eye movements, because he was for 99%
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My energy is totally gone, I am tired, so immense tired and so deeply disappointed. This is an insane discussion between a 69 years old woman against a wall of scientists, who want me to be exact while they are not exact themselves, even not able with the best will in the world to be exact. The
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What can I say? Knowledge builds on second-party sources. The current references are: 1) Geni, not necessarily independent. 2) Solhjell, local history, brief mention 3) Hallingdølen, local newspaper 4) Villand, published by the subject 5) journal, can't access, but I'm guessing published by the
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need to find the book written by him, it's published by the subject so not suitable as a reference to Villand. Albeit probably brave and commendable, Per Villand has not been demonstrated to have coverage in the necessary amount of independent sources. But you can try www.lokalhistoriewiki.no.
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It makes clear that what I wrote yesterday about the English wikipedia, is not so far from the full truth. The English Knowledge is mostly runned by modern state moderators. The modern state is related with all what makes the modern state so "modern", and not so transparent. Modern is not per
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I am emailing intensively with Terje Johansen from the University of Tromsø, who was working together with Per Villand. He is cooperating with me in finding third party sources for his Cand.Scient degree and his Dr. Scient. degree. Problem is that the email address of Professor Terje Traavik
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is hardly any clear coaching this person, me, to be able to work with some exact rules, because these exact (!!) rules do not exist, and therefore the policy is so vague that it took all the weeks that this discussion exists, to try to make Knowledge aware of this problem. And I fail in it.
1063:, which combines with notability in general as well. In the case of Villand here, one example I could think of in relation to his academic career would be other scholars citing him extensively and favourably. That's just one example, of course, and I'm sure there would be plenty of others.
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I did not mean any disrespect by use of the term "a cool guy"; I only meant to say that it appears he had lived an admirable life and I would like to learn more about him. Nonetheless there can't be a Knowledge article without substantial sources independent of the subject.
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It proves not to be efficient at all only to mention what is NOT accepted, not good, not this not that. Like: The topic of this article may not meet Knowledge's notability guideline for biographies. Please help to establish notability by citing reliable secondary sources
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and thus of interest to potential readers. Your goal should not be to dig up verifications of every minute claim made in the article -- rather we need to find that notice has been taken of this individual by reliable sources outside of Knowledge to the point that the
1825:? If this is the case, then it is time for a more efficient policy: before wikipedia users want to start an article, it should be checked by a commission of a filter, if this has enough credits to be accepted as notable. This avoids loads of hours as loss of time.
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I probably wouldn't use the word "Debate" for the interaction we're having - certainly not at the moment, and hopefully not ever! But I'm definitely glad to see that you've taken me up on the offer of assistance. All these years under my belt must be useful for
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creating the page, rather than acquiring them later. Many users prefer to create their pages as Drafts first, to avoid them being tagged for deletion "mid-stream", as it were. The fact that there are pages with less content, fewer references and more problems
411:, I have read about creating new wikipedia pages. Even a few lines are enough to create a page. I did more. Much more. There is not any rule that makes this Per Villand page worthless. It has the right to exist. I can even start a page about myself. I read in
966:: bizarre formatting? I created a layout that was easier to read, because all my words were necessary to defend the page for being threatened for deletion. The threats even worsen. What is the deadline? If this is an impossible limit, then it is a lost case.
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English wikipedia version. There is not a Norwegian Knowledge page about Per Villand. I cannot write yet in Norwegian. But I can try. Is that an option? And, WHAT exactly you want Per Villand to be in his "passport" to be allowed to enter Knowledge land?--
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And, Per Villand wrote this while he was ill, with his hands on a keyboard? No! With a pen? No! How? With eyemovements. WHO can write such website? How many have created a website with eye movements? One!! Per Villand. Worth to be watched, and named.
52:. There is a clear absence of consensus for any course of action at this time, and substantial improvement appears to be underway. This can be revisited in the future if editors feel that progress has not culminated in a clear showing of notability.
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Of course you do not disrespect him, but some words do not fit within a certain atmosphere. There is also a difference in using words by older people, and the younger generation. It is a matter of awareness. Some words just do not fit everywhere.
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About: "A cool guy": May I remind you (and you would have known if you would have read the page) that Per Villand is dead? "A cool guy" is a populist term and not respectful for a scientist who lost his life because of a literally breathtaking
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4) I've given you the general overview of what a third-party/acceptable source would be earlier. If you have further queries on this point, I'd suggest that's a good question to move to my User Talk page, and I'll do my best to assist
1741:. With this I have tried to explain how subjective and not objective you are, dear Sasha, because again: Asle Amundsen is there, in Knowledge, and there are many more, with the same shallow or an even lacking notability. .............
1674:? For the full discussion about this I copy here what is written on the opened discussion section on my talk page: .........................I see your point as well. And therefore again: how can you defend the existence of the page
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be formatting this AFD in this manner. a) Geschichte is not the "moderator" he is the nominator b) this bizarre formatting of the AFD page into your various "Reaction" sections has got to stop, and should be removed. Read
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deletion of the article is therefore based on vague terms, and not any scientist in the world can make this a fair play. I am in Knowledge court, with not any lawyer to defend me. In exact words: I have not any chance.
480:, you have proved yourself with your own pages that Per Villand deserves a place here, and that his page deserves to be accepted. Totally. With or without sources, because I saw that you named a book, written by
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he has even offered his entire body to science, in fact to humanity, to conquer, battle this disease, so, his life had not become meaningless, and that is, in such a circumstance, a notability for all humans
631:! Local newspapers are important for the facts where the "big" newspapers do not spend time for, not because it is lesser important, but because they do not have enough paper for all the local details.
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great many years, but the project is truly immense and I can't claim to be a specialist in every part of it. I'd suggest that those comments go to my User Talk so as not to complicate matters here.
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writing a book, running a website, while being lame for 99%. Writing with modern tools that work on eye movements. Professors from Oslo have been working together with him to dismantle the
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I am in a debate with user BigHaz (Schreit mich an) about this page on my own talk page to learn more about deleting, drafts, and how to keep a draft, and how to avoid deleting.
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JSTOR (October 2017) The one who arrived after JSTOR was Geschichte and turned the page into "delete". All his arguments are battled, but still one finds stones to throw with.
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paralysed, lame, disabled. This is showing strength, a positivity that goes beyond any normal, or even most perfect human power that can create the most wonderful website.
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the screens, that you control it, and when you have read and agreed with what is there, to publish it. This feels great for me. Thanks in advance. Greetings to Australia.
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in the neighbourhood of 7 days, but you'll note that this one has been "relisted" as there wasn't a clear consensus earlier, so that gives everyone another 7 days or so.
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proved by exact numbers, and because Alpha scientists are working with numbers and formulas, exact in that way (mostly, because economy is not an exact science!), they
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501:. Your own pages are a proof and I added the links to these pages so that other Knowledge editors can check themselves. Also for the terms on the top of this page:
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the point. Knowledge doesn't contain articles about all information that can possibly be verified -- we only include articles when enough notice has been taken by
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Hello, Could you provide the failed email address used to try and reach MSU Human Resources? Here is their official contact information as listed on 'hr.msu.edu':
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683:. This is published by: © 1999 Elsevier Science Ltd. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. The names there have links. I consider your examination
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The day of birth and the day of death are both October 15, which may raise questions; an explanation might be helpful in the section dealing with later life.
419:", translated: "The shady world of sneaky Knowledge updates". there is a lot in that article worth it to be read, I can recommend it to everybody, also you,
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In terms of the deletion discussion, I think that the documentary about Per Villand is key to establishing notability: I would say the article should be
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Beyond that I have no other resources to offer; MSU employee records are maintained either by their respective departments or by our central HR office.
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Biological Sciences is also part of the larger College of Natural Science, so another avenue is to contact them. Here is a link to their contact page:
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a disambiguation page, redirected or merged to another article, then consider recommending "Disambiguation", "Redirect" or "Merge" instead of deletion.
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Was in the library of Geilo (Hol municipality) and they have indeed the book and the DVD. There are references added to this library, via a link.
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Tromsø. Email for verification: terje.johansen@uit.no Both PDF's contain names and email addresses, telephone numbers, and can be used to check.
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I am going to work with this MSU email proposal today. Hope to have got the right reference at the end of the day, or tomorrow.
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ping is more than enough (I watchlist AfDs I've contributed to, so in this instance I would have seen your response/s anyway).
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This reference is the Michigan State University, USA, and this will be filled in as soon the email is in my inbox.
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