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478:- These articles are part of a series of articles about the various trends within Trotskyism - a political tradition of some relevance with significant presence in a large number of countries,e.g. 5 people with roots in various threads of the tradition (at least one of them fairly obscure) were recently elected to the Irish parliament (the Dáil) - blanket elimination of the more obscure smaller organisations (or sometimes only apparently obscure because they aren't represented in English-speaking countries) will seriously distort Knowledge (XXG)'s coverage of this political tradition. We should be careful not to take decisions based on our political opinions or prejudices or to allow ourselves to be seen to be yoked into a political campaign (even if this may not be deliberate on the part of the proposer). While there may be a case for consolidation of some of the articles into longer more inclusive ones and some of the articles may require more referencing - if necessary in other languages - I think it would be a serious error to delete any of these articles. 392:"Knowledge (XXG) policies and guidelines are developed by the community to describe best practice, clarify principles, resolve conflicts, and otherwise further our goal of creating a free, reliable encyclopedia... Although Knowledge (XXG) does not employ hard-and-fast rules, Knowledge (XXG) policy and guideline pages describe its principles and best-known practices. Policies explain and describe standards that all users should normally follow, while guidelines are meant to outline best practices for following those standards in specific contexts. Policies and guidelines should always be applied using reason and common sense." 301:- Since this is one of a series of articles of a mass deletion effort, I'm going to state my case once again and will copy-paste it below — it holds for one and all. This is an encyclopedia. Certain things are considered automatically encyclopedia-worthy at Knowledge (XXG): degree-granting universities, secondary schools, numbered roads, towns, species of plants and animals, and so on and so forth. In my earnest belief, political parties and their youth sections passing the standard of 252:
that politically they have a considerable claim to being a distinct and distinctive international political current. Although they originated as an 'orthodox Trotskyist' tendency they have since then evolved in a number of ways for example their views on the degeneration of the Russian revolution, as they see it, are distinct in the trotskyist milieu. In plain language the entry topic does have considerable notability.
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This effort to annihilate 20 articles that SHOULD be in an encyclopedia by the rigid and draconian application of ill-fitting GUIDELINES violates common sense. "Ignore All Rules" means nothing more or less than "Use Common Sense to build and improve the encyclopedia." Since this was a copy-and-paste
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Simply and I might say simplistically claiming that an article lacks notability does not prove your assertion. I am not a partisan of the Permanent Revolution group but I do note that it is present and active in Britain and does have fraternal relations with groups in other countries. I also note
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I concur with Carrite--historical information of this sort is encyclopedic. Our scope is broad enough to record minor parties. The'yre relatively difficult to judge for notability , without using what are in some cases very difficult to find sources. The reader is best served if they are covered
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But they are the subject of scholarly inquiry and deserve notability per se on that basis, just like insects and professional football players are instantly notable if their existence is verified. There is no point to this mass deletion effort. It will annihilate information to no good purpose —
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An article should be kept if what it is about is notable, deleted otherwise. It would be silly to keep an article about a group that genuinely isn't notable simply because articles about other groups that might possibly be notable were nominated for deletion at the same time. Further comment on
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to defend the quality of the encyclopedia and further, to amend the inadequate current notability guidelines for such organizations. And no, I'm not a Trotskyist and I don't play one on TV, if there were a similar series of attacks on right wing fringe parties I'd say the same thing.
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The burden of proof is obviously on you. You have to provide enough reliable secondary sources to establish notability or accept that it will be deleted. It's a shame that this article has been around for four years, only to be still in violation of
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comprehensively, not selectively. just a small religious movements, and I think our general policy has been to be inclusive of those that have a real existence. The guiding policies are WP:V and NOT PAPER
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published by Duke University Press and held by something like 180 libraries worldwide. There have been monographs written on Trotskyism in America (Constance Myers,
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should automatically meet the standard of encyclopedia-worthiness, without regard to size or ideology. These are the subject of serious scholarship. The
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Basil Blackwell, 1984). Yes, little sects such as this are tiny; no, you're not going to find stories on them in the
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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mass challenge, this message will be likewise copied-and-pasted where applicable.
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recording the history and activities of left wing parties like this. The scholar
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serious information that BELONGS in a comprehensive encyclopedia. It's time to
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International Trotskyism, 1929-1985: A Documented Analysis of the Movement,
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Trotskyism in the United States: Historical Essays and Reconsiderations,
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I'm adding this opinion to all the organizations proposed for deletion.
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Humanities Press, 1996) and Trotskyism in the UK (John Callaghan,
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The Prophet's Army: Trotskyists in America, 1928-1941,
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Greenwood Press, 1977; Breitman, LeBlanc, and Wald,
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