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at the time (there are a lot more that could be added to the article, ranging from CBS to PBS to the
Huffington Post) and was a big hit on youtube. But his was not an enduring notability, it was a one-week wonder. The "recent articles" being promoted here are not from Reliable Sources. Nobody serious has nominated the guy for president or anything else. He did not get the nomination to minor office that he was seeking. He's simply not a notable individual in spite of his moment in the sun - living proof of Andy Warhol's prediction that
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Rollins. I agree with Muboshgu, this AfD discussion is priceless. Thanks, Milowent, you made my night. But there is still no way this guy should have an article on Knowledge (XXG). Sure I saw the video, we all did. It was memorable, in a scary kind of way. It got some mentions in mainstream media
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There's the questions about how he raised the filing fee with no income, the obscenity charge, the job creation idea of selling Alvin Greene action figures, being denounced by one of the top members of his party from his state, the charges that
Republicans somehow rigged the primary, and that's just
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states that being a candidate for office is not sufficient to guarantee notability. Being a councilman in
Minerva is also not enough to establish notability. This video is based on the one event that establishes his BLP1E, and does not establish a "second event". This isn't "persistent coverage",
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Davison thus proving that his notability is persistent. Phil Davison was slightly notable before his speech because of his status in Minerva and Stark County. The speech, national interviews, news reports and presidential speculation have
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I have to disagree. Those four things: (1) not notable, (2) not notable, (3) BLP1E, (4) the extension of his BLP1E. Clearly they don't establish notability on their own, with that I'm sure you agree. As to whether those things together form a notable subject, I say no. You pointed out the "bed
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As stated above, before the video, he received coverage as a candidate for office and councilman in Minerva, since the video he has received coverage as a potential presidential candidate. If you combine this with the impact of the video, it pushes him past the threshold of notability especially
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We don't establish notability for local politicians with no national visibility. That would be unmanageable. Alvin Greene isn't BLP1E because his actions are more than just one event. Greene had all those moments that put together establish his notability. This guy had one video clip.
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You are failing to recognize the coverage from before the video and the coverage that is currently being published, two months after the video. Being a local politician does not mean someone is automatically non-notable. It adds to their notability if they are notable for something
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This is becoming troll-like, William. I think Phil is awesome and I improved his article significantly before deletion with the intention of reposting it on my blog (which I haven't done yet). The subsequent stuff you reference is just tail-end coverage of the original
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intruder" guy earlier in this AfD as a comparable, but that guy spawned a single that charted. This guy is a local politician who had one moment get caught on YouTube and has done nothing since. --
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