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in leagues such as the FAI League of Ireland qualify under the amateur sports bit. It's quite clear that this is not the right way to interpret the guideline, as in that form, it can be used to justify articles on players in (say) the top handball league in England, the top ping pong league in Guyana, or the top division of curling in Kenya. It's quite clear to me (and many others) that the amateur sports part is for sports where there is no professional league anywhere, and thus it is impossible for players to pass
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Looks like that was the right result to me. It was your AfD, if you really did disagree that it was the right result, you should bring it do DRV, rather than trying to game the system, by starting up similiar AfDs. The other two seemed to fly under the radar, not getting near as much attention - I
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The change was not particularly meant to affect this discussion, and theoretically there would never be a good time to implement it because sadly I am almost constantly involved in AfDing non-notable athletes. However, the change is necessary to fix the common misinterpretation that players playing
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However the majority of teams and players are fully professional. It's the top tier of football in Ireland. It's completely non-sensical that these players don't meet the spirit of the guidelines. Surely there are better things to do here than to be deleting the top players from small countries.
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arguments of the form "if you include this, then you have to include all sorts of crap" don't work on me. The Irish football competition is of a similar standard and standing to neighbouring leagues which
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game. Per the link given above, there are "four or five" part-time clubs in the League of Ireland. That means there are fifty or so semi-professional players playing in that league every week.
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professional, and vastly higher in standard to San Marino or Andorra's leagues. Irish teams have consistently been able hold their own against professional teams from Scotland, for instance.
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guideline clearly states "fully professional". And yes, the idea is to gradually get rid of all the LOI players who fail to meet the criteria (otherwise why bother having guidelines).
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as he has never played in a fully professional league (he never made a first team apperance for his English clubs, and the Irish ones do not play in a fully pro league.
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which I note was closed as a keep no less than 36 minutes before this AfD was started. As that AfD was started by the same person as this one, this is clearly a
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The "part-time" clubs in the League of Ireland are not amateur, they are semi-professional. Aslo, why not delete all LoI articles in that case?
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Using that logic we should allow players from the top division in Andorra and San Marino articles (and anyway, football is
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in its current form (fully professional league) exists for a reason (to stop articles on non-notable sportsmen).
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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both of which ended in delete. Just because one AfD had the wrong result doesn't mean we have to repeat it.
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No, we haven't established anything of the sort. There were two other AfDs running around the same time,
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that affects an open discussion you're heavily involved in, and have therefore changed it back. See the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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on the field, who was unpaid. Do you suggest we delete hundreds of articles for MLS players?
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otherwise. As for the third part of your statement, I would add a huge {{fact}} tag to it.
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per this bit: "Competitors who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports".
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Other leagues aren't fully-professional, but we accept their players. One example is
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The fact that they are semi-professional is irrelevant. The
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Knowledge:Articles for deletion
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