479:- In the US, this would be classified as an "Independent" film. There are several other films within the Knowledge system that have started off with stubs like this and eventually expanded to be good articles, so I'd say retain. BTW, I've gotten little notices lately that the IMDB is not an indicator of notability, as the information is (like Wikpedia) submitted by the public. Whatever, there's always a delay before IMDB info appears. The editor has been blocked, too, which complicates letting him/her userfy the article.
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Knowledge of independent films, cast with unknowns, that did became notable enough for Knowledge upon release, and I am myself unable with such certainty as you to declare that this one would not. As my crystal ball does not work very well (chuckle), I chose incubation as the
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As you suggest, sources to expand the article may or may not become available later. Contacting the author about "incubating" and unblocking him/her is one option. Also, as the film is in production, perhaps we might, according to the guidelines on incomplete films, merge the article with the
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article. The section on films is just an overview of films that have been shot there, currently just a sentence long. Including it there would give undue weight to this (currently) non-notable film. The synopsis is verbatim from the official website, so it clearly hasn't been re-written.
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the writer/director. No release date is mentioned on the film's website or
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as lacking significant coverage in multiple independent third party sources. Feel free to ping my talk page if these are added to the page.
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article. That is an article about a city, this is about a film - simply would not be appropriate to do that. --
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