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I don't believe anyone said as such (the last AfD applies), because this is a totally new article, hence the DRV decision. If I inadvertently said so in nomination, please allow me to correct it; I'm merely (trying to) apply consensus and common sense on a hot topic (at least, I hope it's
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943:. I have thought about it and 16 and 18 votes doesn't really do it for notability. Heck, I won a race in a lot smaller constituency than Florida with 22 votes, and that doesn't make me notable. I must admit that the subject's email blast leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well.
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