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scholarly book on name origins, but it is, after all, ad copy. The U. Kentucky one is at least entirely on the subject, but again, the work in question seems to be a piece for amusement. That's really the basic issue here: none of the works in question is trying to produce an authoritative list of such names, but most instead are presuming interest in the names and talking about why they got them. Maryland has its share of amusing placenames too: my favorite is
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The neutrality of this article is a non-existent issue. The notability and verifiability of the subject have been established. Unless you're going to begin questioning the neutrality and/or reliability of the cited sources I can't see that there's really anything else left to discuss. We don't delete
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This is too vague of a criteria and can never be globalized. Considered unusual by Americans? Africans? Brits? Aussies? Yes, it is sourced (more sources than actual article) but that doesn't fix the premise. It has to be OR in the sense that the "by who" is in the eye of the beholder. Words
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Reference to "reliable sources" as a justification is focusing entirely on the name of the publishers and not at all on the type of material. The BBC page is comments from the equivalent of a blog. The Irish page is from a travel site. The U. Calgary page is an ad for a (one presumes) reasonably
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Good point by the nominator that the criteria for inclusion seem quite odd; but as long as sources prove that certain names or places are found notable, there's no reason that we have to object to them. If the long list of See Alsos were gone, would we find this problematic?
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Have you looked at the sources? Most failed wp:rs, book sales sites, etc. The Amish Country News? (Amish publish websites?) And to establish "what is unusual", that is a globalization and nuetrality issue, as I have already explained way above.
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The nomination doesn't mention neutrality as an issue and the suggestion that there is a POV problem seems far-fetched as the article contains numerous sources which separately and independently confirm that we have a genuine topic.
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articles about political parties or world leaders because they cite biased party political sources - and this instance is one step further removed even than that, as none of the cited sources in this article are primary sources. --
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mean different things to different people in different areas. As an example: In North Carolina, "shagging" is a type of dance they do to beach music. In the UK, well, it ain't dancing. We both speak English.
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The neutral point of view policy is often misunderstood. The acronym NPOV does not mean "no points of view". The elimination of article content cannot be justified under this policy by simply labeling it
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What about the issue of neutrality, or the inability to ever globalize the article due to the vague and poorly named subject? That these issues weren't raised by the nom is meaningless, according to
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None of you three have addressed the points argued above. You've addressed notability and verifiability, and skipped over the point being addressed by the preceding editors:
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has been through as many as five deletions depending on your count is beyond me. There was a problem with that old article, but linking to maps could have easily fixed it.
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Seems like synthesis to me. What defines an unusual place name? Frankly, I think that this is original research and probably very hard to fix.
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looked at the sources - which include the BBC, The University of Calgary Press and an official publication of the US Antarctic Program. The
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are you saying it meets? Otherwise, you can't speedy it. Also, since this is the 2nd AFD, I don't think a speedy is a good idea anyway.
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being subjective or making judgements or analysis (or selective quoting and similar "only part of the story" bias). WP:NPOV specifically
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that someone, somewhere, thinks that there's something odd about a particular placename, it's still going to end up as an unmitigated
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not really notable gives only five examples which are probable not unusual to the residents or locals so really is opinion.
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longer, but a couple of years ago the entire list section was deleted and this article has been a skeleton ever since. Why
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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has been published quarterly for nearly 20 years and has an annual circulation of 500,000. Perhaps
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This by its nature is going to violate at least two of the Big Three, and while I suppose we can
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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appear to promote inclusion of "X says Y about Z" or "Z is Y" content.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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as per nom. A much more comprehensive listing is available at
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should try looking at the sources a little more closely. --
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The article is well-sourced and does not seem to be OR.
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