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441:. Clearly a valid topic and an excellent article start that just needs editing. It certainly does not look anything like an "essay" but is a more or less straightforward, chronologically ordered, descriptive account of the subject, exactly as one would expect in an encyclopaedia article. I don't understand what the nominator means by "technically unverifiable sources"; many of the sources require a knowledge of Romanian, but that is to be expected with a subject such as this one, and several other sources are in German or French, which make them verifiable to a large number of users around here. -- 347:
published it previously & owns the copyright & he can donate it to us, or if it is wholly original here, it nonetheless is not encyclopedic in our sense and will need a total rewrite,with more helpful sourcing-- there are good references in English available,. If he does not own the copyright, it would need to be rewritten all the more. I might offer to do so, except that I would not be able to incorporate the sources used, as I would not be able to read most of them. A good deal could be done for clarity with simple copyediting, but it will still not deal with the sourcing.
332:- the article as it stands is clearly not ready for mainspace, and this is not a case where the editing process will help much — we need a complete revamp including citations with page numbers, language understandable by laymen, etc., and the only ones capable of providing that are the Rotea brothers, who have the sources at hand. I suggest userfying and having someone explain a little about Knowledge (XXG) policy to the authors. - 416:. The readability of the text is sharply improved by adding paragraphs, which were in the original text, only not the Knowledge (XXG) way. I took the liberty of adding them. I also started wikifying the text, which leaves much to do. I also took the liberty of trying to supply a brief introduction, and added a map. I would add that references from 264:-- Do we have anythign else similar? I would certainly prefer to see this broken up into articles on the various successive periods, but that is difficult when we only have a bibliography. I would suggest that this is a weak keep, but it certainly needs the attenion of an expert, if we can find one. 374:
is not really a political entity; it's a geographic feature defined by the Carpathians, and as such has always been there. Its prehistory can be discussed as a meaningful unit, and in fact was inhabited by a succession of interesting and identifiable cultures. It would be nice to have endnotes, but
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Please refer to the multiple issue tags. It looks like an essay compiled from several technically unverifiable sources. The article has been unpatrolled for 30 days and no one knows what to do with it. Perhaps an expert on the subject could merge it somewhere. Would the community please
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There certainly can be an article on the subject, as for other regions in Europe. Europe even in that period was not one homogeneous mass. But I agree with Biruitorul that it will need to be written from scratch, unless the author can be persuaded to rewrite, as S Marshall suggests; if he has
290:. I think our best way forward would be to introduce the author to the relevant editing guidelines for subject experts, and our guidelines about autobiographies as well. Let's be particularly careful to use clear, plain English with a minimum of alphabet soup.— 162: 459:
I'd be willing to read and verify the French and German sources, but unfortunately I'm not getting much on google books. The first German source is available in snippet view, but that's totally unhelpful for this kind of
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in Romanian are perfectly adequate sources. English sources are not required or even preferred, although accessible English language sources do increase the ability of other editors to help add inline references. -
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until someone comes forth with facts suggesting otherwise I'm going to assume that the list of sources in what appear to be Romanian scholarly sources do in fact verify the article's contents. -
315:, but be nice as others have said. My take on it is that there was no Transyvania in prehistoric times. The material should be covered in more general articles on European prehistory. 156: 118: 240: 214: 91: 86: 95: 78: 286:
of the Transylvanian History Museum. I'd strongly urge not deleting this material out of hand, and in conducting this debate we should be mindful of
177: 144: 17: 48:. Consensus is that this is a valid topic but that the content needs editing, as has partially been done already during this AfD. 473: 303: 392: 82: 138: 477: 450: 429: 404: 383: 358: 338: 324: 307: 273: 255: 229: 203: 60: 492: 134: 36: 395:. I think we should userfy and help him to bring the article's presentation up to Knowledge (XXG) standard. -- 74: 66: 184: 123: 491:
Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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There's some evidence that an expert's already paid it attention. The author,
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